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What IS the fuss about omicron?

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GingerHouse · 10/12/2021 19:47

In all seriousness, data shows that not a single person has died from omicron and that’s in countries that have low vaccine uptake too.

The virus is going to mutate all the time and as things are showing this variant is very contagious and the vaccine doesn’t work as well against it, but it’s mild to almost everybody.

I feel like this is mass panic and for what reason?! I understand wearing a mask where applicable to help reduce the spread but I just don’t get it! Is this going to happen every winter forevermore?

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GingerHouse · 10/12/2021 21:43

@rainrainraincamedowndowndown

If that’s rude then so be it

Totally agree. I assume this is another one of those anti something post disguised as an innocent one.

Nothing of the sort. I genuinely do not get the frenzy.
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rrhuth · 10/12/2021 21:44

[quote GingerHouse]@Chloemol

As you agree on point one I’ll answer two and three.

Every single winter the CEV and CV are at risk of getting extremely poorly by viruses. That’s why they are priority for flu jab and then will take their own measured ways to go about their lives.

Also I obviously do understand it’s a highly transmissible virus I’m not dismissing that fact. The fact that you just seem to blindly assume I don’t is quite frankly rude and very telling, coronavirus is a normal virus and is behaving exactly how a virus behaves.

Why are you so scared of it? When every other virus you’ve ever known lives exactly like this.[/quote]
For goodness' sake. You don't know anything about the topic, you're not qualified to analyse the data and you're talking nonsense.

If you think after watching the death numbers since early 2020 that nothing is higher risk for CEV and CV people, what can anyone say to you? You are living in a made up world.

Chloemol · 10/12/2021 21:44

[quote GingerHouse]@Chloemol

As you agree on point one I’ll answer two and three.

Every single winter the CEV and CV are at risk of getting extremely poorly by viruses. That’s why they are priority for flu jab and then will take their own measured ways to go about their lives.

Also I obviously do understand it’s a highly transmissible virus I’m not dismissing that fact. The fact that you just seem to blindly assume I don’t is quite frankly rude and very telling, coronavirus is a normal virus and is behaving exactly how a virus behaves.

Why are you so scared of it? When every other virus you’ve ever known lives exactly like this.[/quote]
You don’t get it

Point 1, there are MORE people waiting than ever before because of covid

Yes there are viruses each winter, hence the flu jab, this is a NEW virus, ok we have jabs that make delta anyway less transmissible, but they don’t know about omnicrom and how the jabs will or won’t help what they do know is that it’s far more transmissible than delta, that it’s very possible hospital cases will go up, and that this year flu is around, which it wasn’t last year due to lockdowns and SD etc. How many times does the NHS have to say we won’t cope. CEV and CV can’t just hide away, many work, many don’t get paid if off sick, they are not all elderly

Your comments show you don’t understand or you would never have started the post. It’s not that it’s just a virus, it’s the effect that ‘just a virus’ is having across the world including on the NHS, businesses, school kids etc. And letting it rip across the country is not the answer. There’s a very good post up thread from @heldinadream that explains it very well

As to being scared, where have I ever said that? I haven’t, however unlike you I can see the much bigger picture and the massive impact Omnicron could have if we don’t try and stop cases now

As you can’t teach stupid I won’t be engaging with you any more

GingerHouse · 10/12/2021 21:44

@ElectraBlue

Agreed. This does not make any kind of logical sense. No one has died of it and the symptoms are mild. Omicron has been circulating for a while so we would have seen deaths going up by now. It is simply inaccurate to state that the virus has only been around for less than a month. That is when it was discovered but it was already present in the population.

We can't stop everything because a burden might be placed on hospitals especially because there seems to have been no action to try to improve the capacity and efficiency of the NHS to cope with Covid.

I have had the 3 vaccines and will not follow any further social distancing restrictions. I am done.

I absolutely agree with everything you say. I’ve had two vaccines and I am awaiting my third. I’ve had enough now.
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rrhuth · 10/12/2021 21:45

I genuinely do not get the frenzy have you considered reading about it in order to understand? Might help.

Orchid876 · 10/12/2021 21:47

For the people who aren't worried about it, how do you square the overwhelmed hospitals circle? Even if you're not worried about Omicron, aren't you worried that if you were to get in a car accident there wouldn't be an ICU bed available? Aren't you worried about dying in the back of an ambulance after a heart attack when there's no ICU bed available? Or just dying at home because there's no ambulance? Fine, I get you think Covid is just a cold, but what happens when there's no functioning health service because it's totally consumed by Covid patients? Isn't the thought of that just a bit worrying? This is what it's always been about, it's all its ever been about. Unless you have your own private hospital in your back garden staffed by a full complement of medical staff should the worse happen, regardless of our own personal risks from Covid, everyone is as risk if the health service is genuinely overwhelmed, because anyone can get ill or have an accident, but there's no guarantee that medical help will be available.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 10/12/2021 21:49

I absolutely agree with everything you say. I’ve had two vaccines and I am awaiting my third. I’ve had enough now

So has most of the flipping world, but you will still be getting your booster ? to you know, boost your immunity ?

Lazypuppy · 10/12/2021 21:52

@Orchid876 the NHS is overwhelmed every winter, it is what it is. Its shit but the NHS isn't fit for purpose anymore. It does concern me, enough that we are starting to think about private healthcare for the first time as a family.

But worrying about the state of the NHS doesn't justify for the me the restrictions for a virus that for the majority of people is not serious. I'm done living a life like this where our freedoms are being taken away at the snap of someones fingers

rrhuth · 10/12/2021 21:53

If you can keep your head while all around are losing theirs... maybe you haven't understood the severity of the situation.

It is ignorance, not wisdom, that is enabling the op to 'not get' the frenzy.

TheKeatingFive · 10/12/2021 21:54

For the people who aren't worried about it, how do you square the overwhelmed hospitals circle? Even if you're not worried about Omicron, aren't you worried that if you were to get in a car accident there wouldn't be an ICU bed available?

If you're low risk for covid, you're probably low risk for hospital admissions more generally.

A lot also depends on previous experience. We lost my FIL because he had a heart attack and the ambulance didn't make it to him in time. In 2017.

I've never had particularly strong faith that the nhs would 'save' me.

Dreamstate · 10/12/2021 21:54

Not one single death and we've gone from implementing plan b to already talking about plan c and more restrictions. Like wtaf! We don't do this when people die of flu and god knows how many yrs we have been told nhs on its knees cos of flu patients but we didn't shut everything for that.

Utterly ridiculous right now

Porcupineintherough · 10/12/2021 21:55

the NHS is overwhelmed every winter

Not like it's been overwhelmed over the last 18 months it isnt. Hmm I dont know 1 single, solitary member of nhs staff who thinks things have been normal since March 2020.

Lazypuppy · 10/12/2021 21:56

Not one single death and we've gone from implementing plan b to already talking about plan c and more restrictions. Like wtaf! We don't do this when people die of flu and god knows how many yrs we have been told nhs on its knees cos of flu patients but we didn't shut everything for that.

Utterly ridiculous right now

This 100%

Wizzbangfizz · 10/12/2021 21:57

It is a rebranding exercise to put the fear of god back into everyone and distract everyone from the shambles that is the current government. The bar for rioting is ridiculously low in this country.

herewegoOVERANDOVERagain · 10/12/2021 21:59

[quote Handholdtoday]@herewegoOVERANDOVERagain I'm double vaxxed AND had booster and just got Covid 😒[/quote]
Oh dear. I hope you're not too poorly.

I guess none of the vaccines are 100% but hopefully it'll stop you feeling too shitty.

Wizzbangfizz · 10/12/2021 21:59

And every single winter the NHS is overwhelmed, every winter there are pictures of people dying in corridors but instead of looking at actual reform of the inefficiency and mismanagement of the nhs we are choosing to go buy into the current narrative.

rrhuth · 10/12/2021 22:00

@Lazypuppy

Not one single death and we've gone from implementing plan b to already talking about plan c and more restrictions. Like wtaf! We don't do this when people die of flu and god knows how many yrs we have been told nhs on its knees cos of flu patients but we didn't shut everything for that.

Utterly ridiculous right now

This 100%

This level of ignorance just amazes me.

People have lived through COVID, seen the excess deaths, still think it was just like a normal flu year.

Blows my mind.

Dreamstate · 10/12/2021 22:06

Well where was sage 1000 per day prediction? Didn't even happen. Now they saying the same again....it won't happen.

I'm not saying covid hasn't killed im saying omicron hasn't killed and we are already acting like its already killed people. Jumping in excessive restrictions when this new variant hasn't killed

megustalacerveza · 10/12/2021 22:07

@Porcupineintherough

Good God when a virus evolved that targets the stupid I for one won't be calling for a vaccine to be developed. It's not even like you need a degree in epidemiology to understand this, a basic grasp of mathematics will do.
It's seriously, seriously depressing, isn't it? I knew education in the UK was poor but I didn't realise just how bad until recently.
GingerHouse · 10/12/2021 22:08

@rrhuth

If you can keep your head while all around are losing theirs... maybe you haven't understood the severity of the situation.

It is ignorance, not wisdom, that is enabling the op to 'not get' the frenzy.

WHAT severity?! In the U.K. every single person eligible has access to the vaccine and booster if they so wish. Making this variant as dangerous as the common cold. I don’t want to sound like a conspiracy theorist or goady or anything like that but looking at the infection to hospitalisation/death ratio there is no need to panic.
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rrhuth · 10/12/2021 22:09

I'm not saying covid hasn't killed im saying omicron hasn't killed and we are already acting like its already killed people.

That is what the dipshits said about original covid!

milly74 · 10/12/2021 22:09

[quote Lazypuppy]**@Orchid876 the NHS is overwhelmed every winter, it is what it is. Its shit but the NHS isn't fit for purpose anymore. It does concern me, enough that we are starting to think about private healthcare for the first time as a family.

But worrying about the state of the NHS doesn't justify for the me the restrictions for a virus that for the majority of people is not serious. I'm done living a life like this where our freedoms are being taken away at the snap of someones fingers[/quote]
this 100 per cent
We must not comply

Annotherchange · 10/12/2021 22:10

@rrhuth

I genuinely do not get the frenzy have you considered reading about it in order to understand? Might help.
It’s truly frightening isn’t it?
ddl1 · 10/12/2021 22:11

How else would they keep everyone scared and easy to control?

Being scared does not make people easy to control, unless they have faith in the government, which we never did, and certainly don't now!

It may be the 'boy who cried wolf' in reverse: that real wolves have been dismissed so often, that now a merely rather vicious dog is being treated as a wolf. I hope so. Time will tell.

megustalacerveza · 10/12/2021 22:11

@milly74 so don't comply.

The NHS will get overwhelmed, we'll end up in a lockdown because no sane person is going to allow people to die in hospital car parks, and people like you will still be whingeing and not seeing the connection between your own actions and the end result.

The cognitive dissonance is something to behold.