Will you be vaxxing your 5 year old kids?

[WoolyMammoth55]

I'm pro vaccine, have had 3 myself, DH has had 2 and has booked his booster. Our kids are vaccinated according to the normal schedule.

However we have a 4yo and something about the thought of vaccinating him for Covid once he turns 5 feels really wrong to me.

I haven't really got much to go on, although this article about teens and vaccine side-effects is part of it:
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

Basically I just feel like we know some people react badly to the jab, it's not a perfect medicine because it was developed and rolled out under huge pressure. We know kids are at minimal risk of Covid and so it's not for their benefit they'd get jabbed, it'd be to stop them infecting grandparents... To me it feels like the wrong risk-to-benefit ratio for our children.

And I'm fully aware that if we don't get them jabbed, we'll be vax-passport-ed into a second-class existence! This is already happening to my DSis who lives abroad in a vaccine passport country and despite her and her DH being jabbed, they are under house arrest because their 2 kids - who can't be jabbed yet - aren't allowed to go anywhere!

Talk me out of this feeling of dread, anyone...?

I will if it's needed to protect him and others. I'll trust the science.

@Feelinggoodtuesday

Yes, of course. I haven’t heard a logical argument against vaccines for kids so far. They are vaccinated all the time ( you little red book in the UK is a case in point). Arguing about longitudinal effects from data seems a mute point given past evidence from vaccine campaigns to eradicate polio and similar.

But "polio and similar" (measles, whooping cough, even flu) are actually dangerous to young children. This is the difference. If covid was a direct threat to young children then it would be totally worth giving them a first generation vaccine with limited data specific to their age group.

Nope
And I'm not sure how much longer they can keep using the getting vaccinated to protect others spiel either.
I know so many people with covid after having 3 jabs , and on top of that the constant hysteria about new variants is totally at odds with the vaccination drive .
Ds has had covid , and I'm sure most of the population will have by spring - so surely this is moving towards immunity anyway ?

@Feelinggoodtuesday

Yes, of course. I haven’t heard a logical argument against vaccines for kids so far. They are vaccinated all the time ( you little red book in the UK is a case in point). Arguing about longitudinal effects from data seems a mute point given past evidence from vaccine campaigns to eradicate polio and similar.

Enlarged heart muscle in teenage boys?!

I'm not sure. I'm vaccinated but I'm also sterilised.

I have two daughters and I know it's probably irrational but I keep thinking of the thalidomide disaster and how we don't really know what long term effects might be.

I'm not vaccinating my 8 year old. Not anti vax here either, I've had mine. I'm just not comfortable vaccinating my child to essentially protect adults.

@Lalalablahblahblah

Neither am I *@Waxonwaxoff0* I would vaccinate to protect the child themselves though. The risks are there but tiny with the vax and again tiny but slightly less for the virus. Plus the risk to their education of 10 days off school. I agree with the PP who paid for the CP vax so their child doesn't contract CP to protect adults. I did the same. I agree with your theory I just disagree that the vax would only be to protect adults

My DS has had Covid and was fine so based on that I won't be vaccinating him.

I’m not sure. Mine have already both had covid and my youngest suffers with multiple allergies (she’s never had a reaction to a vaccine) but it is not a decision we will take lightly and something we will have to research properly

@Lostinacloud

A hard NO from me. An FDA document states that there weren’t enough trial participants while testing 5-11 year olds to determine the long term risk of myocarditis. For this reason they will be carrying out a POST authorisation safety study of 5 years - unacceptable.

This is horrifying. The JCVI's reluctance to endorse second jabs for older kids makes me very reluctant to go ahead.

No. And like most of the rest of you, I am double jabbed and boostered, DP double vabbed, and both kids vacvinated to the usual schedule (except flu, as they both have anaphylactic egg allergies, so I choose not to with that).

I've been considering it, my DD isn't CEV but has asthma and any cough/cold hits her hard so I would like her to be as protected as possible. I know many older dc who have had it, a few had a couple of days feeling unwell (like most adults) but that wouldn't put me off vaccinating my own dc. Most dc hey flu vaccines yearly and IMO it's not that different.

I respect everyone's right to choose, but people really need relevant and correct information to make that call. The vaccine isn't experimental, it's new and there are fewer studies than vaccines that have been around longer but that doesn't mean it's inherently unsafe. Children aren't generally at a huge risk from Covid though so I don't see an issue if there isn't a big uptake.

Yes, the same way I vaccinate them for everything else.

I imagine if they got the flu it would be mild, but I vaccinate them regardless because I want to ensure they are as safe and healthy as they can be and I want them to be able to return to normal as quickly as possible.

Good Christ no. In a million years..no.

@AdmiralCain

I'm pro vax and pro choice but the covid jab is experimental, there are no control groups, pretty soon you're be having 4 or 5 jabs, mixing god knows what in you, I quite simply want a few years of empirical data before I put something in me (Oh matron) A doctor Andreas Noack, recently said there was Graphene Hydroxide in the vaccine, he was found dead a day later the bloke has a PHD in chemistry and said Graphene Hydroxide acts like atomic sized razor blades in your blood stream. Conspiracy theory? I consider it my duty to be vigilant until my fears about the vaccine are settled. I certainly wouldn't let a 5 year old have the jab.

That's absolute horse shit, I'm sorry. Source?

Having vaccination hesitation/queries is one thing but dramatising that we're all being poisoned is ridiculous.

You really think that he was offed for revealing classified information?

I haven't decided. My daughter is 4 and already had covid (a cough for about 3 days).
She has had all the other childhood vaccine including the optional chicken pox jab, but I'm not sure about covid jab.

I'm pro vax and pro choice but the covid jab is experimental, there are no control groups

Neither of these things are true. The vaccines are past the experimental phase in that phase 3 trials are complete and there is regulatory approval in some countries.

No country is using any Covid vaccine in mass deployment (ie outside further trials on particular future aspects) on an experimental basis.

The trials have been conducted on a randomised, placebo-controlled basis.

Yes, I don’t want my children to be limited on what they can do in life. America and the EU will quite possibly off the cards from next summer without it.

Yes, because I am a Type 1 diabetic and this concerns me a great deal. While my DS's risk is low, I want it to stay as low as possible!

@JassyRadlett

I'm pro vax and pro choice but the covid jab is experimental, there are no control groups

Neither of these things are true. The vaccines are past the experimental phase in that phase 3 trials are complete and there is regulatory approval in some countries.

No country is using any Covid vaccine in mass deployment (ie outside further trials on particular future aspects) on an experimental basis.

The trials have been conducted on a randomised, placebo-controlled basis.

This completely.

There is also a lot of misinformation that the vaccine was 'sped through' and 'corner were cut'.

The Covid Vaccine has been in development for nearly twenty years. A SARS vaccine has been being produced and it was altered to focus on the Covid strand.

Individualistic development never takes more than a couple of years anyway. We see that with the flu jab every year.

NOTHING about it is untoward or alarming production wise.

Of course hold off if you are nervous about long term impacts, side effects etc but the vaccine WOULD NOT have passed controls if it wasn't safe.

@Arethechildreninbedyet - I don't just make this stuff up, here's a source

www.dailyadvent.com/news/amp/2e05267690470e1950e95f4b50dbb6e4-WATCH-German-Doctor-Allegedly-Murdered-Hours-After-Publishing-Video-Stating-He-Found-Graphene-Hydroxide-In-COVID19-Jabs

Ffs @AdmiralCain. Wouldn’t you be happier on abovetopsecret?

@JemimaPyjamas

Yes, because I am a Type 1 diabetic and this concerns me a great deal. While my DS's risk is low, I want it to stay as low as possible!

This is why it needs to be licensed for young kids so it can be used on individual case by case basis in consultation with paediatrician.

The health services also need to be in a position where they can role the covid vaccines out to kids quickly if it ever mutates to become dangerous to young children (hopefully it never will).

But for now I strongly believe that the benefits don't outweigh the risks strongly enough in children to role it out for all children in this age group.

Yes. We will never get out of this pandemic unless we seriously ramp up vaccinations.