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Cornettoninja · 05/12/2021 13:45

I didn’t realise that @HBGKC. There’s no-one in that age bracket in my house so that’s passed me by.

rainrainraincamedowndowndown · 05/12/2021 14:06

@HBGKC

"There is no accepted level of antibodies that provides protection from reinfection. So 'having antibodies' isn't enough."

But the jabs produce antibodies 🤔 (in levels which vary from person to person). So 'having antibodies' via vaccination IS enough..? But having them via prior infection ISN'T enough..? Doesn't seem to make much sense clinically. Far easier logistically tho.

The big difference between vaccine immunity and natural immunity is that vaccine can be easily topped up if needed. Natural immunity, not so much, unless you keep getting infected deliberately.

soredust · 05/12/2021 17:43

Have they actually given your name to T&T?

TheNarwhalBalloon · 05/12/2021 20:20

1 in 5 people who've had covid don't develop antibodies.

perfectSmiles3 · 05/12/2021 20:34

@user1471327439

btw I opened an identical post last week asking the same question.

Now, to go one step further, I would really love to see some figures/studies on how many of us unvaccinated, but naturally immune people are reinfected and come down with the illness during these forced self-isolation periods AND also during self-isolation how many of our closest household contacts are also infected when we are (supposedly) asymptomatic....?!

As @Railk said above, we all need to question what is being subjected upon us, not just blindly follow the rules. And, to me, none of this will make the slightest bit of sense until they prove to me that their theories do work in real life and I truly have a negative impact on my fellow citizens around me if I don't self-isolate.

perfectSmiles3 · 05/12/2021 20:38

@TheNarwhalBalloon

1 in 5 people who've had covid don't develop antibodies.

not very relevant, when most of us testing positive for covid, sign up for a two-step antibody test and are proven to have antibodies.

Also, I am yet to meet a person who produced a negative antibody test after natural infection.... I am sure they are out there and knowing MN, one (if not hundred) will come along in a minute... but 1 in 5 is again an unproven ratio and I don't think happens in real life.

loopylou3030 · 06/12/2021 00:24

I'm unvaccinated, never had any Covid symptoms but had negative LF tests weekly. Decided to do a test for antibodies out of interest and have been informed I have them (I didn't in August so have obviously had the virus more recently). My natural immunity works which is brilliant as I suspect most people's does regardless of the fact I am overweight and over 40. My husband on the other hand had his vaccination and within 24 hours had blinding headaches for days which he had to go to A&E for because he thought his head was going to explode, then got shingles and now a reoccurance of his bowel disease which has been in remission for over 8 years. Will he have another vaccine? Will he hell. He is far from alone which you can see from this thread and by just talking to people when out and about. When will people wake up and see how unnecessary these vaccines are for healthy younger people? Absolute insanity.

gsaoej · 06/12/2021 00:38

It is the law to isolate if you are unvaccinated, but since you had covid a month ago, there is no scientific justification to the law. I caught covid off a vaccinated person. Particularly as a positive PCR within the past 180 days gives you a "covid pass" to get into venues etc. I am vaccinated but wouldn't isolate in your position because it is non sensical.

There is a really serious attitude problem towards people who have chosen not to take the vaccine. I personally think that the unvaccinated are a minority who are largely younger people and not at risk of needing hospitalisation. Also, in my opinion, the main spreading is going on in schools.

Lucythewonderdog · 06/12/2021 00:40

@user1471327439

Thank you everyone - I appreciate your contributions.

This case is not omicron, I realise the rules are different for that for everyone.

The antibody test was sent to me by the NHS, not something I instigated myself.

You would have instigated the antibody test yourself as you have to opt into it when you arrange a PCR test.

Lucythewonderdog · 06/12/2021 00:42

(ie , it’s not mandatory)

More anti vax “logic” 🙄

Summerofcontent · 06/12/2021 01:03

@LemonSwan

I was just looking into this further. It seems natural immunity is recognised in quite a few EU countries - and as its looking to be a longer lasting immunity they just extended their 'natural immunity passports' from 180 days to 365. Whereas they stopped bothering to record breakthrough infections of the vaccine in April 2021 in the US because there had been so many.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2101/rr-0

Tbh as someone younger its really irritating. I said in the beginning when we locked down that I didnt think it was wise to lock down groups at low risk, as I would much rather get that variant before it potentially evolves into something worse. Then we had Delta, now we have Omicron - and I am stuck getting a vaccine potentially every 3 months... for the rest of my life even? .. as the older I get the more risky it is for me to catch it naturally. Its quite an annoying thought.

A lot of Europe also has vaccine passports, which we don't. A fair few of those countries have tightened restrictions for the unvaccinated, which we haven't.

I think the very few rules we have for the unvaccinated are very fair

Bewildered2021 · 06/12/2021 06:39

@user1471327439

I am unvaccinated and had Covid a month ago. I was tested for, and have, antibodies. I have been in contact with someone who has just tested positive and told I must isolate for ten days. This does not seem logical to me as the antibody test result reads to me as though I would be a similar risk to someone who had the vaccine, who would not need to quarantine.

I do not intend for this to be about whether or not I should have been vaccinated, but why I need to quarantine, having so recently had the virus and confirmed antibodies. I would most certainly not want to put anyone at risk through my decisions, but genuinely do not understand why I have to quarantine now (I realise it's the rules, but don't see why my natural immunity is not recognised).

It’s coercion for you to take the vaccine. Completely illogical. Other countries recognise natural immunity and give a recovery certificate valid for 6 months but not here. Utter nonsense.

Summerofcontent · 06/12/2021 07:12

It’s coercion for you to take the vaccine. Completely illogical. Other countries recognise natural immunity and give a recovery certificate valid for 6 months but not here. Utter nonsense

Other countries have vaccine passports, fines and lockdowns for the unvaccinated. I know which I'd prefer

PurrBox · 06/12/2021 07:30

Lucythewonderdog: when you are told to get a PCR test by T and T, you are asked if you are willing do an antibody test (if you turn out to be positive). They are obviously collecting data about postviral antibodies. T and T 'instigate' the antibody test by asking if you are willing to have one, which I think is great- more info is needed obviously!

perfectSmiles3 · 06/12/2021 19:12

interesting info re. studies being conducted on the transmission of Covid by vaccinated vs unvaccinated, skip to 9:20 mins in the video:

LemonSwan · 07/12/2021 21:56

@Summerofcontent

We do have vaccine passports in the UK. If you are jabbed then download the NHS app and you can access it there.

Theres only a few places you require them in England (entering care homes), but there are lots of places in the rest of UK (Wales, Scotland, NI) where they are required for day to day.

I dont think it would be difficult to add on a Natural Immunity pass to the app.

bumbleymummy · 07/12/2021 23:30

@BeautifulTulips

You having COVID is irrelevant, all unvaccinated people have to isolate . That's the rule!!

Well, I think she’s pointing out that the ‘rule’ makes no sense. Why does a vaccinated person not have to isolate but an immune after infection person does?

LoveFall · 07/12/2021 23:44

If you look at it from a public health point of view, how would a previous Covid infection that created sufficient antibodies be determined?

What if you had not had an antibody test OP, for whatever reason? Would everyone have to have a positive Covid test and antibody test showing sufficient levels before they could forego quarantine?

Or would people's word be enough?

Proving vaccination is much easier and far more practical on a population basis.

There have to be rules, and they will sometimes seem not to fit every situation.

I would suggest you are just causing yourself unnecessary frustration. Just isolate and get it over with.

bumbleymummy · 07/12/2021 23:52

As a pp pointed out, several countries recognise proof of infection as proof of immunity for 6-12 months. We don’t know people’s individual antibody levels after vaccination but we still accept that.

Imgonnabewarmthiswinter · 08/12/2021 08:28

You still have to isolate because its the punishment for not being vaccinated, in the hope that the people who have made a choice will change their mind.
You have antibodies and natural immunity so you're right in that it doesn't make sense but they don't want it to make sense.
They want to force you to get vaccinated.

egglette · 08/12/2021 08:35

I won't disagree that a big part of it may be to encourage vaccination. But perhaps also that the immune response from a vaccine is generally more predictable? You can at least ensure everyone gets the same dose that has been shown in tests to elicit the desired response in many people. With infection there are presumably more variables involved?

Orchid876 · 08/12/2021 11:07

A friend of DS's (child) has just got Covid for the 2nd time in as many months. She must have had antibodies having had such recent infection, but evidently they weren't sufficient to provide protection. Maybe the protection offered by infection isn't a great as the protection offered by vaccination, and that explains the rules? Who knows really, but isolation it is.

Leftbutcameback · 08/12/2021 11:09

1 in 5 who have had covid don’t have antibodies (date from the Zoe app) and rules need to be simple to apply.

perfectSmiles3 · 08/12/2021 16:13

@Leftbutcameback

1 in 5 who have had covid don’t have antibodies (date from the Zoe app) and rules need to be simple to apply.

MN posters use this sentence as mantra

. I've already responded to this above.