More likely to infect those who’ve already been infected

[Getthefireon]

Omicron.

Just read this today. I had covid March 2020, have long covid. Haven’t been vaccinated yet due to resulting heart and mcas issues.
Can anyone reassure me please

@forinborin Thanks so much, I can’t see how it could be the case being vaccinated will be ok, but natural immunity won’t suffice

@herecomesthsun I haven’t been able to have the vaccines so can’t go straight for a booster.
Not sure what to do, feels like Russian roulette either way

It’s not that your more likely to catch it again if you’ve had Covid before than if you haven’t had it before. It’s that you’re more likely (they think) to catch omicron despite having had Covid before, than you were previous variants.

*you’re

The only contraindication is allergy isn’t it?

@Getthefireon

I think your best bet is to ask your specialist/consultant when you can have your vaccination and on what timescale (after each other) you can have them.

Try not to stress about omicron, easier said than done I know. Just do what we've been doing (distance, masks, hands) & hope for the best.

The scientists can't agree yet, so we just have to wait & see.

(I was shielding, so I know his worry it's us, I'm not minimising)

The thing is that no one can promise you won’t ever get it ever again. I know of one person who’s had it twice. She’s young and fit, just a poor immune response.
If you’ve had it/been vaccinated it’s much less likely and also less likely to cause you to be very ill.
The fact is that I’m the end, throughout our lifetime it’s very likely that we’ll catch it eventually, probably more than once. As is the case with many other viruses.

@Getthefireon

Omicron.

Just read this today. I had covid March 2020, have long covid. Haven’t been vaccinated yet due to resulting heart and mcas issues.
Can anyone reassure me please

I'm not sure if I'm misreading your post so ignore if it's not what you meant!

But nothing is showing that you're more likely to re-infected with omicron if you've previously had covid. It's just reinfections (in general) seem to be more common with omicron than delta.

Having a previous infection or being vaccinated will reduce your chances of getting reinfected, even with new variants :)

@BungleandGeorge ?

@BungleandGeorge It’s personal to each situation, surely?

@BungleandGeorge Mcas involves allergies/reactions

@ollyollyoxenfree Thank you, I’m
perhaps getting a bit confused with it all, anxiety just went into overdrive

[quote Getthefireon]@Smartiepants79 I just saw a video by Dr John Campbell, he’s fairly level headed and gives factual info as far as I can tell[/quote]
Yes I watched this, the paper he was reviewing did point at more risk of being infected if previously had Covid and he suggested that this might be due to antibody dependent enhancements.

www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/12740/smpc#gref

Under contract-indications, If you want it maybe worth discussing.

[quote Getthefireon]@BungleandGeorge Mcas involves allergies/reactions[/quote]
Many people with MCAS, +/- other allergies and allergic conditions, have safely and successfully had the vaccine.

Please don't misrepresent MCAS as a contraindication, because in itself, it is not one.

Perhaps this is a good time to discuss it again with your consultant? I'm speaking as someone with MCAS, multiple non-MCAS related anaphylactic allergies, severe OAS, a history of idiopathic angioedema, and several complex urticaria (plus other atopic conditions). Still had three jabs.

If you are specifically allergic to the vaccine components, that's a different situation, but you need to be careful not to imply that a given condition is a contraindication per se.

@Innocentab Good for you that you had 3 jabs. As I said, every situation is different and personal, I have many issues from covid in March 2020, this is only some of them. It’s complex and a decision I personally have to think hard about, my consultant is in agreement. It’s personal choice as to weighing up what will benefit me the most.

@Innocenta To say you *Still had 3 jabs…is rude and judgemental. I have chest and heart issues also. Every case is different, you made the decision you felt was best for your body 👍

Someone in John Campbell's comments corrected him. He misread the data. Risk of reinfection has gone up slightly that's all - not specific to people who have already had it. It's gone from 80% unlikely to 7(%

Sorry to 75%

I also read it that it was more likely to reinfect than previous variants, not that it was more likely to reinfect than infect.

[quote Getthefireon]**@Innocenta* To say you Still had 3 jabs…is rude and judgemental. I have chest and heart issues also. Every case is different, you made the decision you felt was best for your body 👍[/quote]
Funnily enough, I also have chest and heart conditions!

I am not being judgmental of you as an individual. I do not know the details - that's obvious. I suspect you, like so many, may perhaps be a bit misinformed, since you are presenting it as a decision rather than a necessary exemption (as anaphylactic allergy to all the vaccines is). But I am also well aware there may be info I'm totally uninformed of, which is why I suggested discussing it again with your consultant!

@Innocenta Patronising much?

It’s ok, I’m in constant discussions with my consultant.

[quote Getthefireon]@Innocenta Patronising much?

It’s ok, I’m in constant discussions with my consultant.[/quote]
It is not patronising to make that suggestion when you are presenting this as a decision between two equivalent options. Do you actually have a formal vaccine exemption? Very few true MCAS consultants exist in the UK - are you with Dr Croom?

Innocenta you DO come across as very patronising, to an impartial observer.

Try not to worry OP. A second infection might be possible in theory, but your innate immune system will be primed and it's massively unlikely it will be as severe as the first.

Everyone would like to believe the vaccines are some magic bullet, but the data are simply not that compelling. They offer limited protection for a limited duration, at the risk of some considerable side effects. It makes total sense to be hesitant if you have pre-existing immunity and other complications.

@Getthefireon
Really don’t worry. They made a headline out of nothing! I read the article - it states 2.4 x more likely for reinfection than the original strain. The original strain had a very low reinfection rate (less than 1%) so even if taking the top of that it only still means 2.4% reinfection rate.

Delta has an up to 1.4% reinfection rate - keep in mind again that it is only “up to” that.

And even if you did happen to be in the minority who caught it again you are unlikely to be seriously ill as you will have some protection from your previous infection.

Though if you have long covid it can cause a relapse. But so can vaccines and just being exposed to someone with covid. I was told this at a long covid clinic I went to this week.