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Are schools allowed to shut down classes / year groups if lots have Covid?

185 replies

Tuliprain · 16/11/2021 20:02

My child’s year group are going down like flies at the moment. Just wondered if there is a point when the school is able to close for that class or year group? Or will they just have to keep going?

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MumbleCrumbs · 18/11/2021 07:41

Well DD is off until Tuesday as her school couldn't be staffed safely due to covid.

GreenLakes · 18/11/2021 08:05

The reason that schools are short-staffed is because of isolation rules. Luckily, come spring there will be no requirement for positive cases to self isolate.

Teachers and DC will therefore be in school as normal unless they are actually ill.

Sherrystrull · 18/11/2021 08:09

@GreenLakes

The reason that schools are short-staffed is because of isolation rules. Luckily, come spring there will be no requirement for positive cases to self isolate.

Teachers and DC will therefore be in school as normal unless they are actually ill.

That's not true. Our staff are off because they are ill or their children are ill.
toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2021 08:11

Where do you get the no need to isolate in the spring from @GreenLakes?

Parker231 · 18/11/2021 08:11

Same here - many teachers off ill with Covid, one has been off a month now and not likely to return until after Christmas.

GreenLakes · 18/11/2021 08:15

@toomuchlaundry

The government wind down plan is for testing and isolation to stop outside medical settings from spring.

Redlocks28 · 18/11/2021 08:19

The reason that schools are short-staffed is because of isolation rules. Luckily, come spring there will be no requirement for positive cases to self isolate

Well, that certainly isn’t the case round here. Teachers (and LSAs) are off because they are ill with covid.

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2021 08:21

@GreenLakes you would like to think that will depend on number of cases, so let’s hope the number of cases in our area have dropped drastically by then

OddestSock · 18/11/2021 08:37

Two classes in my daughter's primary school were closed last half term. Her class 24 kids had it and both teacher ans TA. The other class that was closed were similar.

amillionmenonmars · 18/11/2021 08:39

I really hope that posters on other threads who are bleating about 'missing out' on going in to school for harvest festivals, special assemblies etc are reading this thread. I still cannot for the life of me understand why some schools have insisted on holding whole school assemblies, staff meetings and training sessions.

Do you understand now why the priority in all schools should be trying to keep them safe. This means NO unnecessary people in the building. There are damn good reasons why it is difficult to even get into the GP surgeries at the moment. They are health care experts and they know exactly why there have such a strict check in at the door.

I am fed up of listening to some parents complaining that schools need to get back to normal, and that their kids just need to have a whole school assembly, or to be able to wave at mummy during harvest festival. We ALL want to go back to normal, but we are not there yet - and this constant push to drive large numbers of people (many of them unvaccinated) into unventilated rooms is making the situation even worse.

We should have been allowed to focis on one thing. Getting kids back into education. That would have meant vaccinating school staff as a priority, ventilating rooms better, keeping kids in a class bubble where possible (much harder to do in secondaries), mask wearing in schools, and especially when in corridors, limiting access into the building to only the people who need to be there and parents being honest about when they have covid in their homes (oh yes, we know there are parents sending in kids with very obvious covid symptoms and passing it off as 'just a cold.') It would also have helped tremendously if parents had stuck to the rules and ensured their their children did. Allowing, even encouraging, your kids to go on sleep overs or your teens to attend parties when this was in breech of the rules. Yes, thanks for that - that's how many of our sixth form managed to catch and pass on covid - including to three of our staff.

Bobholll · 18/11/2021 09:57

Why do teachers think they should get a booster before 6 months?! If you are old enough or in the risk category high enough to have had your vaccines 6 months ago, then you can get a booster. If not, YOU’VE STILL GOT GOOD PROTECTION. All these people bleeting on about being prioritised, you will be when it’s been 6 months. It baffles me. If you aren’t yet eligible, you are clearly in the low risk group. Covid is mostly just a bit of shitty illness like any other. I had it for the second time in October. Did feel pretty miserable for a couple weeks. All fine now. We’ve currently got a sick bug & dear god, give me covid any day.

Redlocks28 · 18/11/2021 09:59

Why do teachers think they should get a booster before 6 months?!

Nobody is talking about anyone demanding a booster before 6 months; I’m not sure where you got that idea from?

MarshaBradyo · 18/11/2021 10:04

@Redlocks28

Why do teachers think they should get a booster before 6 months?!

Nobody is talking about anyone demanding a booster before 6 months; I’m not sure where you got that idea from?

There were some posts below re waning immunity and a pp re teachers should be prioritised for boosters

Perhaps they meant younger who don’t get them but also could mean earlier.

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2021 10:20

If teachers had been prioritised for vaccines in the first place and so now eligible for the boosters, we probably wouldn't be in this problem with lack of staff to keep schools operating as normal as possible

MarshaBradyo · 18/11/2021 10:27

@toomuchlaundry

If teachers had been prioritised for vaccines in the first place and so now eligible for the boosters, we probably wouldn't be in this problem with lack of staff to keep schools operating as normal as possible
Why would that be?
Sherrystrull · 18/11/2021 10:30

@Bobholll

Why do teachers think they should get a booster before 6 months?! If you are old enough or in the risk category high enough to have had your vaccines 6 months ago, then you can get a booster. If not, YOU’VE STILL GOT GOOD PROTECTION. All these people bleeting on about being prioritised, you will be when it’s been 6 months. It baffles me. If you aren’t yet eligible, you are clearly in the low risk group. Covid is mostly just a bit of shitty illness like any other. I had it for the second time in October. Did feel pretty miserable for a couple weeks. All fine now. We’ve currently got a sick bug & dear god, give me covid any day.
What? No one has said that. And no one has talked about being prioritised. Chill.
Sherrystrull · 18/11/2021 10:32

I talked about waning immunity. I didn't say anything about jumping the queue.

MarshaBradyo · 18/11/2021 10:32

Sherry it wasn’t you it was another poster

MarshaBradyo · 18/11/2021 10:34

A post with the usual insult but also

Soooo, school staff need to be a priority for boosters

ExceptionalAssurance · 18/11/2021 10:36

@cantkeepawayforever

There are also often children - many of them our most vulnerable children with SEN - for whom huge mixed classes, unfamiliar adults and 'busywork' is far more detrimental than good, well-structured home learning.
And the parents of those children ought to have the right to keep them at home in those circumstances: the state approach to school absence in England was awful before the pandemic, but it's completely unjustifiable now.

However, the distinction is that for DC who are better off at home in these circumstances, it is at least possible for them to stay off. Even if there are (unwarranted and unfair) sanctions it is still something that a parent may choose to do. For those of us whose children are better off in school even if they are in huge groups supervised by the janitor, we don't have any freedom at all to make that choice if it isn't being provided. There should be acknowledgment that both types of DC exist.

Sherrystrull · 18/11/2021 10:38

@MarshaBradyo

Sherry it wasn’t you it was another poster
Ahh ok!
herecomesthsun · 18/11/2021 13:09

@MarshaBradyo

A post with the usual insult but also

Soooo, school staff need to be a priority for boosters

I can't see an insult Smile

I can't see the original of the supposed quote either.

NHS & care staff have some priority with getting vaccinated early because they are working with the vulnerable but also they are very much in a people-facing role and are liable to be exposed to infection.

Some of that applies to teachers as well, so there are decent arguments for being especially careful about timely vaccination or boosters for teaching staff. Especially anyone older or clinically vulnerable.

MarshaBradyo · 18/11/2021 13:15

I can't see the original of the supposed quote either.

This made me laugh well no you won’t see it if you didn’t go back to the post. I didn’t quote the insult part, why would I? Some people find it hard to post without it but I don’t need to repeat it.

If you really need to see it (not sure why) go back I was replying to Sherry and the poster responded to that.

As I also said I don’t care when people get a booster but I questioned why someone would go against general advice

I also asked at what point they’d get a booster - when would you? How many months?

MarshaBradyo · 18/11/2021 13:20

And since you are so keen to see it do you think I just bolded something out of thin air?

Why so invested.

toomuchlaundry · 18/11/2021 13:57

My thought is that teachers should have as high immunity as possible (following medical guidelines). This is the first term that most schools have had no mitigation in place, and we can see how well that is going.

Teacher retention was bad enough pre-COVID, but if we have more teachers going off long term sick or leaving the profession (mainly down to the attitude of the Government towards education) we are going to be in serious trouble.

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