Will people be asked to do lateral flows forever? Or is there a point at which we stop?

[Motherdare]

At my child’s school, they are requested to do lateral flows regularly. Some do, some don’t. What this means is that there are regularly children off school for two weeks, with no symptoms of Covid.

Will our children be asked to do this forever? Will teachers and healthcare workers be asked to test forever?

Are we not planning to reach a point of acceptance? Ever?

I’m fully aware of that. My point is about risk and what is acceptable risk

@Knownbyanothername

I’m fully aware of that. My point is about risk and what is acceptable risk

If you think 250+ deaths per day is 'acceptable' I think you need to give your head a shake. It isn't even winter season yet.

Stop talking about abstract 'risk' and start engaging with the human and health reality of what is happening today in our country.

You want more asymptomatic kids to pass the virus to their older relatives - meaning you want more people in ICU or dead?

Most of the deaths are in the unvaccinated. LFT gives false negatives in 1:4 tests. Much better to have mass vaccines that keep repeatedly testing. Which I think was the original question?

*than

If we stop testing, more asymptomatic people will go out and about, spreading the virus further.

The more the virus spreads, the more people end up in hospital.

The hospitals are struggling already; people will die, of covid or unrelated causes, who needn't have died, if people had just tested.

@Knownbyanothername

Most of the deaths are in the unvaccinated. LFT gives false negatives in 1:4 tests. Much better to have mass vaccines that keep repeatedly testing. Which I think was the original question?

I’m afraid according to the Government’s own figures in their Covid briefing reports it actually the opposite. The vast majority of deaths are in the vaccinated.

For some reason the mainstream media won’t show this on their websites

This is from the latest report

@Sugarandtime most deaths are in the vaccinated because most people have now being vaccinated.

That may be so, but it’s still wrong to say that it’s mostly the unvaccinated that have died when the government’s own figures state the opposite.

We don't take them, no school aged kids though. We may well have had covid multiple times but we only test if visiting vulnerable people

I have an issue of the “positive covid test within 28 days” . How many of those deaths were actually down to co- morbidity? If I have covid then recover, but have an unrelated stroke or heart attack or die of cancer within 28 days, my death cause is listed as covid.

I think that's why the ONS does the "covid named on death certificate" tally, but it takes 10 days longer to produce.

Can argue if Covid is named too often on death certificates too, of course.

I’ve currently got 14 cases of covid in my class. Some children are ill with it and others are asymptomatic. The TA is also ill with covid. LFT picked up the asymptomatic cases but I think this is important given the case numbers and the fact that some who’ve gone on to catch it have been ill.

It has definitely spread by transmission in the classroom given the pattern of cases and time line.

Bear in mind most people in the population are not being asked to test regularly. School children of year 7 and above are testing and a lot of asymptomatic cases are being revealed that way.

@Sugarandtime

I’m afraid according to the Government’s own figures in their Covid briefing reports it actually the opposite. The vast majority of deaths are in the vaccinated. For some reason the mainstream media won’t show this on their websites

Most people who die in car crashes wore seat belts! Does that mean seat belts are useless?

Most people who die of exposure were wearing clothes! Does that mean that clothes don't protect us from the cold and I'd be fine going to climb Ben Nevis in January in a bikini?

95%+ of those who are very vulnerable to Covid have been jabbed... so it's hardly surprising that there are more deaths in those who've been jabbed.

The reason the media don't trumpet this is because merely saying that deaths are higher amongst the unvaccinated is highly misleading without context, and therefore dangerous.

If we’re supposed to be learning to live with this like flu then we really should be moving away from trying to detect asymptomatic cases and keeping children at home for days when they’re perfectly well.

@bumbleymummy

If we’re supposed to be learning to live with this like flu then we really should be moving away from trying to detect asymptomatic cases and keeping children at home for days when they’re perfectly well.

Look at what happened in the south west when we didn’t bother about trying to get positive people to isolate.

Our school requires lfts twice a week plus masks on in classrooms. The dcs have got used to it, and the school is covid free
When I’m told this, I always wonder what rates are like in the wider community. Schools in our town were pretty much unaffected in the autumn term of 2020, but the rates in the Whole town were Also extremely low and much below average. We peaked in the top 10 highest areas Nationally in October and rates in the schools (all schools, not just a couple) rocketed.
I’m not convinced regular LFTs and masks are enough to keep COVID out of schools if community rates are sky high.

Our school still asks for twice weekly tests. I’m not sure what take up is but we’ve found them to be correct in terms of picking up a positive.

I don’t know when they’ll stop sending reminders. Hard to know, maybe another term

@bumbleymummy

If we’re supposed to be learning to live with this like flu then we really should be moving away from trying to detect asymptomatic cases and keeping children at home for days when they’re perfectly well.

It's one of the last mitigation's we have Give it up

Really.

[quote Warhertisuff]@Sugarandtime

I’m afraid according to the Government’s own figures in their Covid briefing reports it actually the opposite. The vast majority of deaths are in the vaccinated. For some reason the mainstream media won’t show this on their websites

Most people who die in car crashes wore seat belts! Does that mean seat belts are useless?

Most people who die of exposure were wearing clothes! Does that mean that clothes don't protect us from the cold and I'd be fine going to climb Ben Nevis in January in a bikini?

95%+ of those who are very vulnerable to Covid have been jabbed... so it's hardly surprising that there are more deaths in those who've been jabbed.

The reason the media don't trumpet this is because merely saying that deaths are higher amongst the unvaccinated is highly misleading without context, and therefore dangerous. [/quote]
Incredible isn't it

Context is everything. But people just don't get the numbers

I despair

”The vast majority of deaths are in the vaccinated. For some reason the mainstream media won’t show this on their websites”

Erm… I think that’s because the mainstream media can actually do the math!!

This is how misinformation, distrust and denial spreads.

*The reason we have so many cases in the uk is that we are testing about 10x more than other countries. If you look at the figures, the ratio of positive tests:tests carried out is comparable to other countries who are testing less often.
We need to stop with the obsessive testing. It’s not stopping the transmission.

I know what you’re saying but more testing isn’t the REASON we have so many cases, we’d have those cases regardless, the testing just highlights them. Testing and isolating IS reducing the transmission, saying it isn’t is just bizarre.

Asymptomatic cases are not a bad thing

Well not for the people who are asymptomatic, granted, but for the vulnerable people they come into contact with if they’re unknowingly shedding, they are disastrous.

If we’re supposed to be learning to live with this like flu Not this bullshit again. We're not supposed to be learning to live with it 'like flu' because it has marked differences.