What will the future look like for unvaccinated teens?

[TravellingSpoon]

Do you think that restrictions will coe into force, especially for foreign travel, and will those restrictions still be in place in 4 or so years when the teenagers become adults?

DS will not have the vaccine. He has severe autism and LD and I know he wont have it. He had some dental work last year under a GA and had to have Midazolam as a seditive so they could get a canula in. He completely refused the HPV vaccine and ended up trashing the medical room in panic.

My main concern is that his Dad (my Ex-H) is planning on moving abroad and so he will need to travel to spend time with him over the summer, but I have other concerns about what might happen if restrictions for unvaccinated teens come into place.

Sorry for the dumb thread but I am anxious.

Some countries already have restrictions relating to unvaccinated teens. You could google Foreign Office travel advice for whichever country you're interested in to find out the current position. As regards the position in 4 years' time, I would say it's completely pointless to speculate given how rapidly the Covid situation has evolved to date and is still evolving.

I think restrictions will lesson rather than increase as more young people who can be vaccinated, are.
Most countries which insist on "passes" have negative tests as an alternative to a vaccination anyway.

Maybe it will need to be his dad that does the travelling instead?

@CarrieBlue

Maybe it will need to be his dad that does the travelling instead?

I mean this ^ and given that your DS is autistic and has learning difficulties I would expect his father to be doing the travelling anyway, regardless of covid.

I have been wondering the same. We are looking to go away next year but I doubt my autistic teen will have the vaccine.

@CarrieBlue

Maybe it will need to be his dad that does the travelling instead?

He will do the travelling, but as he will be living in a 'holiday' country its highly likely that DS and DD will travel back and stay with him for a couple of weeks. DS loves holidays and being by the sea.

Perhaps by then there will be other options (eg nasal spray like for flu). Nobody know so I wouldn't worry for now.

As most teenagers are only being offered 1 vaccine in the UK its practically the same as having no vaccine where other countries who insist on 2 vaccines are concerned

He will do the travelling, but as he will be living in a 'holiday' country its highly likely that DS and DD will travel back and stay with him for a couple of weeks. DS loves holidays and being by the sea.

Sadly, he won’t be able to travel back to stay for a couple of weeks then. Holidays and being by the sea will have to be in this country

I would hope that by this time next year vaccine passports will be no more. You can only coerce people into getting vaccinated for so long. Eventually you'll have a core of people who won't have it come what may and then you just have to get back to normal.

Anyway I would have thought there would be an exemption for people with disabilities which mean they can't have the vaccine.

I hope so too Colin. There seems to be a bit more pushback against them now.

I worry about this too and feel really sad that if all these vaccine requirements for travel aren’t dropped soon that my children won’t enjoy the freedom of travel and truly impactful and important family holidays that I did when I was younger. Already we are unable to visit my ageing fil in Canada because my teens aren’t allowed in without a 14 day quarantine. Since it really is becoming clear that these vaccines aren’t controlling spread and are therefore really only valuable as a personal protection, inhibiting freedom of travel based on vaccination status makes no scientific sense. Unfortunately the world appears to still be firmly wrapped up in the belief that they are infallible and that freedom of choice should slowly be eroded away.

In the future I don’t think that vaccine passports will still be around. How far in the future we will get to that point, I have no idea really. I really doubt it will be within the next few years.

Since it really is becoming clear that these vaccines aren’t controlling spread and are therefore really only valuable as a personal protection, inhibiting freedom of travel based on vaccination status makes no scientific sense.
This is not accurate at all. Vaccines prevent lots of people from contracting Covid, therefore they do reduce the spread. An unvaccinated person is more likely to get Covid and therefore more likely to infect others.

I sympathise OP. Our DS 11 has ASD traits (identified by a psychiatrist) though we decided not to pursue a diagnosis.

He only had one covid test when he had symptoms and we paid for a saliva test. He has never tolerated the nasal flu jab and the idea of an injection is never likely to be an option.

Our situation is simply a desire for holidays but I suspect that we will be restricted on where we can go for some time.

I hope you find a solution.

Really @LilyPond2?
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-irelands-co-waterford-has-one-of-the-highest-vaccination-rates-in-the-world-so-why-are-cases-surging-12461642
Surely you’ve got to admit that even this article is struggling to explain this occurrence in Ireland. They attempt to blame high case rates on changed daily behaviours. But actually, so what? If people have relaxed a little regarding meeting up and going to events because the vaccines should reduce spread enough not to register any concern or record case numbers then what’s the problem?

However, that doesn’t appear to be the case? I’m not disputing they are great as a personal protection to those at risk but restrictions to freedom of movement overseas or domestically based on vaccine status makes no scientific sense.

@ColinTheKoala

I would hope that by this time next year vaccine passports will be no more. You can only coerce people into getting vaccinated for so long. Eventually you'll have a core of people who won't have it come what may and then you just have to get back to normal.

Anyway I would have thought there would be an exemption for people with disabilities which mean they can't have the vaccine.

Plenty countries don’t allow entry without specific vaccines, why would covid be any different? I doubt it’ll be ok to travel without proof of vaccine anytime soon - it’s ‘normal’ to have yellow fever vaccine for example.

It’s not ‘plenty’ of countries or many specific vaccines. Pretty much the only example is the yellow fever vaccine which has a much higher IFR and is required for very few countries and certainly not to try to go to the cinema/out for a meal.

I do think countries will start loosening their entry requirements. If the virus is endemic and people aren’t going to be having boosters every few months, it just becomes more and more pointless.

I've just travelled abroad with teens who have had only 1 vaccine. In most countries these teens are created exactly the same as unvaccinated people. So they have to follow whatever rules each particular country has for unvaccinated people- often a negative PCR (privately booked) 38 hours or less before the flight, PCR on arrival at airport, and PCR or supervised LF every 48 hours whilst abroad .

Did you see the news about the Pfizer pill?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59178291

I don't know how fast it could be tested etc but good news for people like your son if it's the needle that is problematic

I think your ex is a jerk for moving to a holiday country when you have a person with autism and LD to jointly care for. Do YOU get to move to a holiday country? No? Why? It seems so unfair of him.

You can still travel abroad now if you are unvaccinated, I've done so myself and just needed a pcr test. How long do you think tourist countries can hold out with restrictions in place? I have lots of friends in Cyprus and they are extremely worried for their future if the vaccine passports are around long term.

@TravellingSpoon

Do you think that restrictions will coe into force, especially for foreign travel, and will those restrictions still be in place in 4 or so years when the teenagers become adults?

DS will not have the vaccine. He has severe autism and LD and I know he wont have it. He had some dental work last year under a GA and had to have Midazolam as a seditive so they could get a canula in. He completely refused the HPV vaccine and ended up trashing the medical room in panic.

My main concern is that his Dad (my Ex-H) is planning on moving abroad and so he will need to travel to spend time with him over the summer, but I have other concerns about what might happen if restrictions for unvaccinated teens come into place.

Sorry for the dumb thread but I am anxious.

If he has any planned surgery as for his jabs to be done then.

@seb342

You can still travel abroad now if you are unvaccinated, I've done so myself and just needed a pcr test. How long do you think tourist countries can hold out with restrictions in place? I have lots of friends in Cyprus and they are extremely worried for their future if the vaccine passports are around long term.

Not everywhere, at least without quarantine. We have a holiday to the Netherlands booked, and a single vaccinated teenager. Unless things change before we travel, he would be required to quarantine, meaning there is no point going and we will have to cancel

LilyPond2:

"This is not accurate at all. Vaccines prevent lots of people from contracting Covid, therefore they do reduce the spread. An unvaccinated person is more likely to get Covid and therefore more likely to infect others."

Please could you explain this. I don't find it convincing. If I go out and am vaccinated, and just say my child is not, surely the risk of catching it is the same?