Would you still bother with vaccination in our circumstances?

[Willyoujustbequiet]

Jabbed x 2 plus recently recovered from Covid. Vaccines clearly didnt prevent infection but possibly lessened severity. I had a terrible reaction to Oxford and GP reported due to family history contraindications.

Kids are unvaccinated, missed due to isolation/hesitancy. Both positive now but it's a very mild cold for them. Barely noticeable in youngest.

Given that I think I was worse with the jab than the disease and possibly will be the same for the kids would you rely on existing immunity from now on?

Struggling to see any benefit at this point. Happy to test/isolate but given our family history I think certainly for them vaccination is more of a risk. Any thoughts?

@SapereAude

I wonder if in the future there'll be studies showing how many people had vaccine reactions, severe and otherwise, and were also anti lockdown, anti mask, anti restrictions etc even before the vaccine was introduced. *@PurpleDaisies* AS is your friend.

This came out yesterday

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial
www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635/rr

Honestly, I would hold off on a booster until you are a situation where you are forced to take one eg travel. So many shortcuts have been taken.

@SapereAude after speaking extensively with my doctor she felt fairly certain that the antibiotics were not related. The reaction I had was simply unheard of in relation to the antibiotics. My doctor (while there is no method of proving it) felt that it was very likely to be linked to the vaccine. I will never know for sure.

Yes my husband also has been diagnosed with blood clots. He is currently taking 15mg twice a day of Rivaroxaban. Would you like to see a copy of his prescription?

Do you not have anything fucking better to do?

AS is your friend.
Thank you. Interesting reading.

I’d probably get the booster for myself given that it will be Pfizer which is a completely different kind of vaccine to AZ.

I wouldn’t have my children vaccinated if I knew they’d definitely already had covid (and no particular health conditions making them extra vulnerable).

@roses2
That's just a letter to the editor.
The writer, btw, is an engineer and data analyst who has been active in his questioning of vaccine safety in general for a long time.
He's also a member of a group called Reinfo Covid. Not sure what that is about, will Google later.
But in the meantime, I'll continue (call me daft) to put my trust in actual scientists and doctors rather than some data analyst with a track record of looking for dodgy stuff about vaccines.

@SapereAude

I wonder if in the future there'll be studies showing how many people had vaccine reactions, severe and otherwise, and were also anti lockdown, anti mask, anti restrictions etc even before the vaccine was introduced. *@PurpleDaisies* AS is your friend.

This^^ Odd how frequently those go together. I saw a phrase used to encompass anti vax, anti mask, anti lockdown - "Pro-Covid."

OP JVT was on breakfast tv this morning and someone asked him a similar question. They were double jabbed and had covid in August. They were asking whether to have the booster and the answer was unequivically yes.
I was double jabbed AZ and had covid but medical advice to me was still have the 3rd jab. I did have reaction (6 week headache) to the vaccine but felt it was a small price to pay. All 3rd doses are Pfizer or Moderna and only Pfizer is given to under 18s.

@Beeinalily

Read about the side effects and run for the hills.

What side effects?

I stongly suggest reading about the side effects of covid as well and compare the probabilities and severity of side effects for both. Then have the vaccine.

I had absolutely no side effects from Pfizer, which is most likely to be what you're offered.

And reported side effects from Pfizer are predominantly after dose 2. Which you wouldn't be having.

How can you know what covid would have been like unvaccinated you could have died??

Make decision on medical advice not us lot

I'm double jabbed with Pfizer and just had covid, which was like a bad cold for me. Several people at my work were unwell after 2nd pfizer ranging from 1 to up to 4 days off. I'm not having booster ,reckon have enough immunity now. And there is no way my primary age DC are having it.

I had side effects from my vaccine and I’m definitely not any-vaxx, anti-lockdown, anti-mask etc. I’m pro all these things. I think that minimising the side effects people are having only strengthens the anti-vaxxers whereas what people want is for their side effects to be acknowledged and taking seriously.
I also don’t think it’s true that if you had side effects from the vaccine you would get them with covid. There are plenty of people who developed tinnitus after the vaccine (my side effect) who had covid beforehand with no tinnitus. However it is true that the side effects are similar. I just don’t think you can predict whether you will get side effects from the vaccine or covid. Obviously the vaccine has the advantage of stopping you be hospitalised or dying. I don’t think it’s necessarily as good at preventing long covid as we would like though (maybe a fifty percent reduction I’ve seen) so unfortunately by vaccinating your kids you’re not preventing long covid, just reducing their chance. For those who have had severe side effects like one of the posters above I understand they are worried whether their genetic offspring could be similarly affected

JS87 great post.

for the kids ,its an easy one for me - I really would see no need to vaccinate if they have already experienced COVID and only got it very mildly, isn't this what we all hope for the future ,that our kids get exposed to a mild illness when young and therefore don't have the same catastrophic response as they grow older.
for yourself, more difficult ....but I think as you have had 2 jabs plus Covid you have the same immune status currently as anyone who has been double jabbed and given the booster , so you perhaps have 'til next year to think about your decision to get further jabs. Having had a family member who had an auto-immune exacerbation after first AZ( and GP has refused to give a second jab) I wish people showed more empathy towards people in your position. I don't know the specifics of your health issue but personally I would consider a Pfizer booster next year as theres good likelihood that you may react differently.... but perhaps you could keep up with research over the next year, as the reasons for certain individuals reacting badly to certain vaccines may become clearer.

Someone asked this exact question on the BBC Q&A with Jonathan Van Tan this morning!

He said yes get your booster, we need as many people with as much immunity as we can as we head in to Winter.

So I'm having mine!

Thank you for all the replies, I appreciate it.

In answer to some questions - we have a family history of sudden thrombocytopenia which tragically proved fatal in a healthy young person. Its essentially a loss of platelets/clotting and now recognised as a contradiction. I reacted very badly to AZ and had episodes of profuse bleeding from my gums and nose. It's very scary. Whilst I'm aware this is a risk of Covid anyway I was obviously torn when it came to dc because of the history and the risk/benefit.

I've decided to hold off for the dc. I realise we are lucky they've had it so mildly and I may have a rethink if a new variant emerges but they should have some immunity now at least for a few months.

As for me I wouldn't rule out a Pfizer booster but tbh I think an antibody test would help me decide.

No way. Absolutely not. I would not get the vaccine in your circumstances OP. No reason to whatsoever.

I’m double vaccinated and me and my children have recently recovered from Covid, the DCs had it mildly as did I. I’m not going to have to booster for the time being and the DCs haven’t been vaccinated. That’s not to say we aren’t going to in the future but I’m hoping we will have some immunity for the next few months. I can’t see the logic in the DCs having a vaccination against something they have already had and had no ill effects from and which they are hopefully now immune for a few months at least.

@Willyoujustbequiet

Thank you for all the replies, I appreciate it.

In answer to some questions - we have a family history of sudden thrombocytopenia which tragically proved fatal in a healthy young person. Its essentially a loss of platelets/clotting and now recognised as a contradiction. I reacted very badly to AZ and had episodes of profuse bleeding from my gums and nose. It's very scary. Whilst I'm aware this is a risk of Covid anyway I was obviously torn when it came to dc because of the history and the risk/benefit.

I've decided to hold off for the dc. I realise we are lucky they've had it so mildly and I may have a rethink if a new variant emerges but they should have some immunity now at least for a few months.

As for me I wouldn't rule out a Pfizer booster but tbh I think an antibody test would help me decide.

I'd have thought with your family history you'd never have been offered AZ in the first place. Don't they go through a medical family history thing where you are? (Sorry, I'm in Italy and we had a 15 page document to go through at the vaccination centre and there was a lot of questions about thrombosis in the family etc)

Obviously your children wouldn't be given AZ anyway. And your booster won't be that afaik. ( I'm double dipped AZ but believe we're getting Pfizer boosters)

@Geamhradh I had my first AZ weeks before the whole furore over the clotting problems. I got asked by the nurse at the centre who gave it if I'd ever had a bad reaction to a vaccination but I hadn't. I have no history of DVT but there was no mention of thrombocytopenia. If I'd known.....

I'm very pro vaccination but it has to be informed consent. GP said I should have been given an alternative. We live and learn.

[quote Willyoujustbequiet]@Geamhradh I had my first AZ weeks before the whole furore over the clotting problems. I got asked by the nurse at the centre who gave it if I'd ever had a bad reaction to a vaccination but I hadn't. I have no history of DVT but there was no mention of thrombocytopenia. If I'd known.....

I'm very pro vaccination but it has to be informed consent. GP said I should have been given an alternative. We live and learn.[/quote]
Absolutely. Glad you're ok now.
I had my first AZ but by the time Dp was called they'd stopped it for our age group and he had Pfizer. DD meanwhile is Moderna.

No, I wouldn’t. There have been several studies showing that immunity lasts for 9+ months after infection. I’m happy enough to trust that. Entirely up to you though.

I wouldn’t risk it.
I am sorry that Mumsnet is deleting posts advising caution, but I am not surprised.