What is the NHS protocol treatment

[Maximum71]

My lovely friend's younger sister is in intensive care after contracting Covid in the hospital after treatment for another ailment. She hadn't been vaccinated as she suffers with a condition that prevents her from having any of the vaccines.
They are now being told they may be allowed to come and say their goodbyes- yet she (and rest of the family) is not being allowed to go and see her sister before the moment when they are 'summoned'.
When my friend calls to ask what treatment is being administered she is told that she needs to ask a other family member who called earlier as the ward will only deal with 2 phone calls a day per patient. Her sister's condition is deteriorating by the day. As far as she can gather her only treatment is minerals , vitamins and antibiotics in her feed.
My friend wants to insist her sister is given 3000mg of vit C daily but no one will take her call. She is absolutely heartbroken.

Latest update : she is being kept sedated and is now on 90% oxygen at approx 93% saturation, she's been given paralysers to keep her still too. Her heart rate has gone up and her blood pressure has dropped. But it's basically not looking good.

How do we find out what this NHS hospital's Covid treatment protocol is?

The vitamin c isn't going to improve her chest. She has type 2 respiratory failure her organs are failing and can't maintain sats on 90 percent o2. They will tell her to bollocks. But read nice guidelines for covid. Usually dexamethosone ive heard. Don't understand the reason why people don't have vaccine. Her condition prevented her from having vaccine what condition was this?

@Maximum71

I cannot imagine what they are going through, I'm so sorry.

Patients are given gold standard treatment based on the current recommendations

There are misinformation groups that promote the use of high dose vitamins and other things like ivermectin when there is absolutely no evidence for effiacy. This causes great distress to relatives who want their family members to get these treatments but it will not help.

For any other viral infection they would trust the healthcare staff - with their expertise to know and implement the best course of treatment for each patient.

It is only for COVID that treatment has become politcised and weaponised.

@Flowersintheattic2021 she develops severe allergic reactions very quickly- she'd been advised not to have the vax

@leafyygreens
Thank you- I know - I'm so sad for my friend - I don't even know her sister.

Gold standard- That was my question, what does that entail, do you know? My daughter is a registered nurse abroad and works on the 'normal' Covid ward- not IC. She mentioned 2 treatments for Covid patients who are awake but she didn't know what was given in the IC.

She is being given oxygen, ventilation, sedation, antibiotics, liquid food, vitamins, minerals can mean several things and maybe steroids too. Vit c is not a treatment as far as I know. It's a very sad situation and no one can insist on her being given anything, the doctors and staff looking after her will be giving her the best chance and highest level of care. Its usual for relatives to be asked to have one or two contacts rather than everyone calling. She may be getting the treatment to help 2hatever her particular needs are, everyone will be different.

ICU offers supportive care to allow the body to rest and hopefully heel. I imagine she will have had remdesivir and dexamethasone as her treatment. Unfortunately I have not seen many, if any, patients needing 90% oxygen survive. The visiting rules mean that family cannot visit until the decision is made for end of life care which is very difficult for families and for the staff too. The only comfort is that the patient will be kept comfortable and completly unaware of what is happening. Sorry this is happening to your friend

Sadly any amount of Vitamin C is not going to help her

I am not particularly religious but I will say a little prayer for her. Big hugs xx

[quote Maximum71]@leafyygreens
Thank you- I know - I'm so sad for my friend - I don't even know her sister.

Gold standard- That was my question, what does that entail, do you know? My daughter is a registered nurse abroad and works on the 'normal' Covid ward- not IC. She mentioned 2 treatments for Covid patients who are awake but she didn't know what was given in the IC. [/quote]
The full NICE guidlines can be found here:

www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ng191/chapter/Recommendations

However I would say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and the medical staff caring for her will know the best course of treatments based on her specific situtation and will be wanting the absolute best outcome for her. Thinking of her and her family

Thank you all so much for your kind words and support. It's very much appreciated. Better to be informed and prepared. However sad.. Xx

I just don't get this advised to to have. Have it in a hospital area with anaphylaxis treatments ready and available.

Advised not to have.

Fucks sake @Flowersintheattic2021, OP has a dear friend who is most likely about to be bereaved very soon. Now is not the time to question why someone has not had a vaccine. it is none of your business.

OP, I am sorry this is happening to your friend. The staff looking after your her sister will be doing what they can. Just be there when you can for her

I am sorry. The ITU teams will be absolutely on top of the best evidence based practices for severe Covid. The UK has been a leader in clinical trials to establish what helps, what is useless, and what is actively harmful. They will use what has been shown to be any good, which is likely to be dexamethasone, remdesevir, and the absolute best supportive care they can provide. But it really sounds like your friend's sister is running out of options. Like the team have already thrown at her anything that has any chance of working. Support your friend in knowing that the team is doing their best. And support your friend for the likely, bloody tragic, loss of her beloved sister. Chasing down quack remedies isn't going to help, and is just a distraction.

@Flowersintheattic2021 Yeah ppl should deffo take advice from randoms on the internet rather than medical professionals. Funny how those same medical professionals are only revered on here when they are singing from the hymnbook that posters like you agree with.

I'm very sorry to read this about your friend's sister.

My friend wants to insist her sister is given 3000mg of vit C daily but no one will take her call. She is absolutely heartbroken.

Unfortunately, high dose vitamin C is facebook science and won't reverse your friend's sister's condition. She will however be receiving the protocols linked by previous posters, that are based on evidence, to give her the best possible chance and every effort will be made to keep her comfortable.

[quote MercyBooth]@Flowersintheattic2021 Yeah ppl should deffo take advice from randoms on the internet rather than medical professionals. Funny how those same medical professionals are only revered on here when they are singing from the hymnbook that posters like you agree with. [/quote]
I don't think this thread is the place for this.

Having severe allergic reactions isn't a contraindication for all the coronavirus vaccines available, which may be why a PP commented on it, as it may misinform others.

However it's completely irrelevant as OP probably doesn't know the full picture as to why her sisters friend isn't vaccinated - there are loads of reasons -and it doesn't matter.

Again, my thoughts are with her

So the thread is the right place to question and admonish her for not having the vaccine but not the place to call out those comments.
Got it!

If you give people large amounts of vitamin C any excess will just pass out in the urine, it won't help her recover from Covid. How sad, in sorry about your friend's sister.

@Cookerhood

If you give people large amounts of vitamin C any excess will just pass out in the urine, it won't help her recover from Covid. How sad, in sorry about your friend's sister.

It can also cause nasty GI side effects like cramping and diarrehoa, which is the last thing you want for someone already extremely unwell and in the ICU.

And most importantly - it wouldn't give any benefits.

Very sorry for your friend....if her relative is incapacitated then the medical team will be treating her as deemed in her best interests under the mental capacity act...I wouldn’t imagine the protocol for care includes vitamin C so in that case they would not administer regardless of her relatives wishes