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HCP’s What’s it like in hospitals at the moment?

87 replies

Speckledhem · 19/10/2021 23:18

Just ‘normal’ busy / stressful for this time of year or do you feel Covid is still putting increasing pressure on staff and services?

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MissyB1 · 21/10/2021 11:31

Dh (hospital Consultant) describes it as “carnage” and “third world” Sad

MissyB1 · 21/10/2021 11:32

Oh and when they insisted on the press conference last night that the pressure was “sustainable” Dh felt like he had been kicked in the stomach.

GobletofFiyah · 21/10/2021 11:52

@MissyB1 I agree

Ghoulette · 21/10/2021 12:14

@MissyB1 This is exactly how myself and my colleagues feel.

It wasn't sustainable before the pandemic...

pcofmushu · 21/10/2021 12:18

My best friend is a paramedic and spent 5 hours outside A & E waiting to offload a patient. She was 13 in a queue of 16 ambulances waiting to do the same.
Sister works in 999 ambulance control room and every day there are always between 10 and 20 calls waiting to be answered, average wait times on 999 us 10 mins and 30 mins for 111 calls to be answered.

QueenCremant · 21/10/2021 12:30

I’m in cancer care so we’re not directly affected by covid. But staffing is dire at the moment as if you have a household case you can’t go in and work with CEV patients. Because it’s a chemo unit we can’t just get bank nurses as they need to be chemo trained.

Toddlerteaplease · 21/10/2021 12:39

Paediatrics. My ward has been changed to elective surgery only at the minute. It's not sustainable. The acuity is either very high. Or nothing at all. We had 3 patients yesterday and they were discharged by lunch time. Leaving a fully staffed ward completely empty. As there was no surgery booked yesterday. Most of our staff are fed up if having to mine to staff other wards, and are leaving. We desperately need to go back to pre Covid. As it worked brilliantly

Toddlerteaplease · 21/10/2021 12:41

Three band 6 nurses waking round the children's hospital looking for jobs to do. It was absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe it's been allowed to happen.

MareofBeasttown · 21/10/2021 14:37

I am from the "third world" and am contemplating flying back home for a hysterectomy, because the waiting list where I am is too long.

Fetarabbit · 21/10/2021 14:43

@Toddlerteaplease

Three band 6 nurses waking round the children's hospital looking for jobs to do. It was absolutely ridiculous. I can't believe it's been allowed to happen.
If they couldn't find any jobs to do, they just be seriously unresourceful.
Toddlerteaplease · 21/10/2021 15:42

@Fetarabbit we did at first. But all
Of the other wards were ok and didn't need help.

LucyGrey · 21/10/2021 22:00

We have 37 patients in our hospital who have tested positive for covid currently. They aren't all inpatients due to covid.

RagzReturnsRebooted · 21/10/2021 22:04

I work a vaccine centre, I met an ITU nurse there who warned us to avoid getting in any serious accidents and being sent to a certain local hospital because they only have 6 ITU beds. They should have 20 but don't have the staff for them! We were all quite shaken by that! This was a few weeks ago, before cases rose as much.

Toddlerteaplease · 21/10/2021 22:44

We have 108 across the trust. Was 450 a few months ago. And was 85 last week. Presumably not all in with Covid though.

Tuba437 · 21/10/2021 23:34

So it actually looks like the general consensus is that the mitigation measures because of covid has actually caused a huge amount of stress on the NHS because there hasn't been immunity to hundreds of other illness that people are now going to hospital for and is causing staff to go off sick?

Crazy if that's actually what's happened that the very thing we used to stop hospitals coming under pressure (masks and lockdowns) has indirectly caused the pressure they are currently under?

MrsCmumof5 · 21/10/2021 23:41

My daughter had a bad chesty cough(asthmatic) waited 85 mins to speak to nhs 24 ? I know they are busy but when you have a sick child its horrible - sent to a hospital miles away and thten had to do the same thing next day as crackles in her lungs were missed night before ! Had an appointment for 2.30 and told we had to sit and wait until an isolated room was available (even though she had covid 6 weeks before) finally seen 1.5 hours after appointment and got an anti biotic !

haveyouopenedyourbowelstoday · 21/10/2021 23:42

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58967159.amp

How's this for some shocking reading?

PermanentTemporary · 21/10/2021 23:42

What absolute bollocks @Tuba437. Feeling genuinely angry to see you attempting that line.

Tuba437 · 21/10/2021 23:47

@PermanentTemporary

What absolute bollocks *@Tuba437*. Feeling genuinely angry to see you attempting that line.
How is it bollox. Previous posts stating they are swampped but covid levels are stable or only slightly up but staff all off sick with different illnesses that aren't covid related.

I'm not denying covid as being an issue or anything more so that this is a likely oversight that wasn't thought of when bringing in the mitigation measures that were used.

I can see how it can happen. My 2 year old is coming home ill every other session from.nursery with a new cold etc because she hasn't been exposed to anything.

Covidworries · 22/10/2021 00:26

@Madwife123

This happened to us recently too. Threatened with safegarding while on phone to 111. We needed antibiotics for a condition child has. Couldnt get GP. Just needed to see out of hrs or have prescribed over phone. Child wasnt sick as such but had a regular flair up which needed meds to prevent illness as per consultants advice. Not urgent but didnt want to have to wait all weekend which could have resulted in more invasive treatment being required. They wanted us to wake child to take to a&e in the middle of the night. When we eventually spoke to on call doctor they just wrote the prescription but so stressful.

nocoolnamesleft · 22/10/2021 00:42

I work in paediatrics. I have never, in over 20 years, seen a summer/autumn like this. We are so full. We are running out of beds on a daily basis. That happens in midwinter, but never this early. Hardly any of it is covid, we're seeing all the other respiratory viruses. And it's hitting the babies and young toddlers especially hard. We're full of babies on oxygen. The ironic thing is that the stuff we're seeing would also spread less if people fucking worse masks and practiced social distancing. But they're not. So these babies have gone from not encountering bugs to swimming in a sea of viruses. And it's hammering them. Never seen anything like it. And we're up the creek for staff. Staff with covid, staff with children with covid, and that's on top of the staff we already didn't have. I do not know how we're going to get through the winter.

Silkieschickens · 22/10/2021 01:02

Not a hcp but been very ill with covid and had to go into hospital today (double vaccd) and it has been incredibly hard to get any help. GP here is refusing all covid symptom patients, say call 111, 111 say call GP. Lots of people in the hospital today had the same and some had been left dangerously ill and were also been kicked off and left to wait in the cold, one 85ish year old in a wheelchair, no phone and clearly very scared and shaking with cold. It is very third world like, infact I think third world may have better healthcare in some parts of it.

I have spent 5 weeks very ill with husband past few days needing to help me 24 hours a day as so ill I cannot stand up, got several flags for sepsis, constant vomitting and diarrhea no food or drink is staying down and shaking violently, low oxygen readings and 111 saying your GP can do everything. Our GP will help with nothing, even when I reported breast cancer symptoms with a lump in April which is still there was told it would be fine as it varies in size. It probably will but it would be nice if someone would help. I had enough of everyone arguing (always well paid middle aged men who maybe go private for their healthcare) it wasn't their job and just replied have you tried getting a GPs appointment and that it is impossible to get any healthcare in this country and 111 offered hospital GP appointment with 6 to 8 hour wait. That is the first help I have had.

It was quite shocking there rammed full, the male doctors ranting about GPs (completely get that but complain to government / GPs / not someone very sick and powerless), the female nurses being amazing but looking absolutely exhausted and run down and seemed to be doing a lot of work you would expect doctors to be doing. Ward full and cleaning was minimal as staff so busy so imagine its a hot bed for spreading covid as everyone mixed together and minimal cleaning of toilets in covid A&E. It was the nurses who raised sepsis concerns, all the nurses (bar one male nurses who said with chronic diarrhea I was not allowed to use any toilet until I was in next section) were amazing. But people were clearly being put in danger, there was who phoned GP said very ill with covid, GP said we won't see you and over the phone told her its just a virus you will be better next week. She was in there with sats of 87, wearing an oxygen mask being tested for about 4 life threatening conditions though then kicked out at 91. After the BBC reported patients were being made to wait 4 hours outside A&E in the cold with no access to toilets the system now seems to have changed to you are kicked out as soon as they have finished whether there is anyone to collect you or not standing in the cold and people are being kicked out very ill and no access to toilets. I was out for an hour with severe diarrhea, thankfully I have not eaten for 3 days and made it back. I was with an 85ish year old in a wheelchair shaking with the cold, no phone, no idea if anyone was going to collect her, clearly very frightened. I stayed with her until someone came after about 20 minutes for her. And its surely only to get worse. I only saw one doctor at all for anyone the whole 9 hours I was there and I spent around 8 of it on the majors part of A&e. The GPs do seem to work long hours don't help me or my children with any mental health issues and autism diagnosis but they do help my husband. Seems there just isn't enough of them relative to need. Suspect it needs a whole lot more money and less private contracts. I wish we had French healthcare like my husband's country.

Silkieschickens · 22/10/2021 01:08

One interesting thing the doctor did say was he thinks they are a lot of wrong negative PCR tests and that people with covid symptoms who have been in contact with a covid positive person should be treated as having covid. The nurses were so brilliant but it was crazy they were being expected to do work of doctors as there weren't any and they looked shattered. They were all so kind.

Kokeshi123 · 22/10/2021 02:04

Hardly any of it is covid, we're seeing all the other respiratory viruses. And it's hitting the babies and young toddlers especially hard. We're full of babies on oxygen. The ironic thing is that the stuff we're seeing would also spread less if people fucking worse masks and practiced social distancing. But they're not.

But... if we all go back on the masks and social distancing again now, isn't that just going to create an even worse situation next year? I'm concerned about the immunological deficit of the flu being absent for two years (ditto RSV) unless we can get absolutely everyone vaccinated. I get the whole family jabbed for flu every year, but I'm afraid I'm one of the few people I know who bothers. And RSV vaccine isn't available yet, though I believe that there is one in the pipeline at the moment.

Fetarabbit · 22/10/2021 02:46

the male doctors ranting about GPs (completely get that but complain to government / GPs / not someone very sick and powerless), the female nurses being amazing but looking absolutely exhausted and run down and seemed to be doing a lot of work you would expect doctors to be doing

bar one male nurses who said with chronic diarrhea I was not allowed to use any toilet until I was in next section)

Hmm