Will we all need a 3rd jab? What next?

[3asAbird]

But confused if we know the current vaccines wane

5months AZ
Around 6months for pfizer and moderna

Whats the plan will infections suddenly increase when a larger part of the population mostly working age vaccine fade off?

Are other countries vaccinating everyone or just vunerable groups?

Will covid 19 be annual 1 shot like flu?

What's happened to all the newer vaccines?
I thought we were all due to get 2nd gen vaccines and that norovax and valneva both made in the UK were part of that.
Seems been ages since a new vaccine was approved.

Just be nice have a long term plan.

What % vaccinated of entire population do we need vaccinated for things to improve.
Will herd immunity work if you can catch covid multiple times and varient mutations?

No idea. When they say that the vaccines wane after 5/6 months, does that mean that they stop protecting against serious disease? So are we likely to see hospital admissions rise significantly? Wouldn't that already be happening now if AZ stopped protecting people after 5 months, as most of the most vulnerable people will have already been fully vaccinated by May?

@AlexaShutUp

No idea. When they say that the vaccines wane after 5/6 months, does that mean that they stop protecting against serious disease? So are we likely to see hospital admissions rise significantly? Wouldn't that already be happening now if AZ stopped protecting people after 5 months, as most of the most vulnerable people will have already been fully vaccinated by May?

Doesn’t mean will be completely useless offers some protection but a declining % of protection if that makes sense.

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/covid-jab-protection-wanes-within-six-months-uk-researchers-2021-08-25/

I am hoping this maybe means chance death still reduced but maybe risk if transmission not really sure its all about vague and as you say many in the UK had AZ and the very few people I know getting boosters because health workers are given pfizer as a booster.

I think I read Israel was blanket boosting everyone.
Not sure if Europe doing what we doing.
Oz and New Zealand still running behind and still double vaccinating.

We as adults are urged to get double jabbed as one dose against delta according to zoe only gives 30% protection.

There was something on the news few days ago about moderna in America and FDA releasing a booster.
Not sure USA only specific groups get a offer of a 3rd

I kind if assumed it maybe annual like flu but no idea what 2022 plan is act like covid gone away?

My 2 parents late 60s early 70s both within group's 1 to 9 they in Wales and awaiting date for 3rd booster.

I had 1st jab at 40 end of May and 2nd jab 12 weeks later start of sept so I guess maybe that gives me better coverage over winter.
I had pfizer but my 49 year old husband got given AZ and is 2 weeks ahead of me.
Neither of us to our knowledge have had covid I was ill start 2020 and would be intrigues take anti body test but its so expensive

The current booster programme is

50plus
Heath workers
Hopeful includes clinically vunerable children 12 to 15.

The thing is, I know that the risk of transmission is reduced by the vaccines but it seems to be still very, very common indeed for fully vaccinated people to get covid. Consequently, I feel that the main benefit of the vaccines is to prevent serious illness. I'm hoping that the jabs will continue to work for this purpose but I guess time will tell.

Both DH and I had our second jabs in early June, both AZ. He will be eligible for a booster, I won't. However, I have had covid recently, having caught it from dd, so I'm hoping that I will have some ongoing protection from that.

I'm most worried now about my elderly parents and my CEV sister, who all had AZ and are now past the 5 month mark. I am hoping that the protection they have from the jab will be enough to keep them safe for the time being. Haven't heard when they might be getting a booster.

I think the U.K. needs to pull its finger out it’s arse with the booster program or things are going to get bad again potentially. People I know in the healthcare group are struggling to get it. Also think it should be widened to everyone.

They were trialling it in kids, so I assume they are trying to get the 12-15 done before announcing that one.
I know that in my area they are doing all high schools once, and this is the last week of doing them.

@AlexaShutUp

The thing is, I know that the risk of transmission is reduced by the vaccines but it seems to be still very, very common indeed for fully vaccinated people to get covid. Consequently, I feel that the main benefit of the vaccines is to prevent serious illness. I'm hoping that the jabs will continue to work for this purpose but I guess time will tell.

Both DH and I had our second jabs in early June, both AZ. He will be eligible for a booster, I won't. However, I have had covid recently, having caught it from dd, so I'm hoping that I will have some ongoing protection from that.

I'm most worried now about my elderly parents and my CEV sister, who all had AZ and are now past the 5 month mark. I am hoping that the protection they have from the jab will be enough to keep them safe for the time being. Haven't heard when they might be getting a booster.

I hope they get their boosters soon. It seems be health workers and 80s currently getting boosters very slow to roll out but guess 1 to 9 is massive group. I know cut off has be somewhere but worry is husband at equal risk at 49 than a 50 year old.

Its disappointing doesn't help with transmission as much as we thought it might although such high levels of infection in the UK compared to other countries the same time as waning immunity not helping matters..

I do feel strongly education staff should get priority boosters given level outbreaks in school and so many double jabbed teachers off and some poorly.

Guess we have to focus on the postives
If we get it hopefully its milder, reduced chance going hospital and death.

Just feels weird they not revealed a long term plan for vaccines its very much made up and adapted as they go along.
If they wanted herd immunity why didenr they push for teens to be done sooner as they form a large part of our population.
Now we have perfect storm of high infection going into winter, mass vaccinating kids as well as boosters.

Where's the new vaccines? Hancock boasted about we were ahead of the game doesn't feel like that now.

They haven't revealed a long term plan because they don't have one.

I agree that education staff should be prioritised for boosters, but since my CEV dad in his eighties doesn't seem to be getting one any time soon, I won't hold my breath. The strategy - if there is one - seems to be to let the virus rip through schools without any mitigation.

I’ve vaccinated in a couple of schools. At one only 30% had said yes, at the other it was just over 50%, so that’s not great numbers if you’re thinking of herd immunity within the school.
And yes, boosters should be offered to teachers if we want to keep kids in school over the winter.

That's a disappointing acceptance rate @GoodnightGrandma. Mind you, I wonder how many kids had to refuse it because of a recent infection? 🤔

DD is 16 and most of her friends have chosen to have their first jab. They may not be typical, though.

My WFH DH has been offered it (over 50) but not me (40s) who is working in schools where covid is just ripping through them. My second vaccine was 5.5 months ago. I’m cross, yet unsurprised, that school staff are being ignored.

@AlexaShutUp

That's a disappointing acceptance rate *@GoodnightGrandma*. Mind you, I wonder how many kids had to refuse it because of a recent infection? 🤔

DD is 16 and most of her friends have chosen to have their first jab. They may not be typical, though.

They didn’t refuse due to recent infection, they were still consenting but not being given it on the day. I’m hopeful that when then hubs open up to them, more might come forward. Both schools said that there were children who wanted it but parents had refused.

Hcp in England can book directly through the NHS site if they are six months past the second jab. They don't need to wait for an invitation now.

I don't think they do have a long term plan as they genuinely don't know.

It's interesting about AZ protection 'wearing off', as I am 5 months and 14 days post AZ and have Covid.

I have had a text to book booster, but the website won’t let me book (I am 5 months 3 weeks post 2nd dose). Is this a common experience?

I got a text telling me I was due, exactly 6 months after my second jab.

This article is interesting. An immunologist from Imperial College London thinks the double vaxxed will be protected for 2 YEARS. I really hope that's the case!

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/will-we-need-a-covid-vaccine-every-year_uk_60af703fe4b0d56a83f36e1a

@3asAbird

But confused if we know the current vaccines wane

5months AZ
Around 6months for pfizer and moderna

Whats the plan will infections suddenly increase when a larger part of the population mostly working age vaccine fade off?

Are other countries vaccinating everyone or just vunerable groups?

Will covid 19 be annual 1 shot like flu?

What's happened to all the newer vaccines?
I thought we were all due to get 2nd gen vaccines and that norovax and valneva both made in the UK were part of that.
Seems been ages since a new vaccine was approved.

Just be nice have a long term plan.

What % vaccinated of entire population do we need vaccinated for things to improve.
Will herd immunity work if you can catch covid multiple times and varient mutations?

Agree with pps that there is no gov long term plan.

The only benefit of the UK having ridiculous case rates right now is that is may help prolong immunity in vaccinated people.

If you've got a population of vaccinated people who are regularly being exposed to coronavirus, this will be providing regular "boosts" to existing immunity, whilst minimising the risk of infection or getting seriously ill.

So not idea in the slightest, but hopefully this will minimise the risk of immunity waning quickly over autumn/winter.

I think being new virus and new vaccines they honestly don't know.

What I find astounding is how well we did at start with mass vaccination campaign .
I was in aw at scale of rollout and so many kind volunteers made this happen.
There was such optimism and positivity.
Then maybe summer went horribly wrong it stalled and lost momentum.

That teenagers and boosters are an after thought.
There's no interest or political will/ urgency to get what needs to be done done.
The flip flopping rows over teens has damages confidence and makes no sense.
Its all haphazard and changes week to week.
Reacttive not pro active.
I hope school can stay open and we don't have another lock down but even with sky high cases kids maybe able go to vaccine centres in a few weeks!

Also why did we cancel valneva Hancock boasted big boot for UK and its economy and made in Scotland but french company that maybe has better results that AZ

www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/valneva-reports-positive-results-its-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-2021-10-18/

www.itv.com/news/2021-10-18/french-vaccine-more-effective-than-astrazeneca-but-uk-has-no-orders

Safe to say javid is a man without a plan no vision and maybe contagion wasent a film that inspired him.
Instead he starts a fight with gps and offers them a low amount money to sort out the mega waitlists.
He makes Hancock look caring abd competent.

My guess is that most of the population will get an annual shot in the autumn, for peak protection during the winter virus season

The most vulnerable (maybe only the 500,000 who are getting the third primary and for whom the 6month booster will be the 4th jab, and falling due about next April) might get it every six months

I believe teachers in Scotland will be offered a booster vaccine.
Why isn't this being offered in England?

I don't see why having boosters on a continuous (annual or w/e) basis would be necessary. SARS-COV-2 isn't the same as the influenza virus, which can mutate due to its segmented genome very easily and thus it's necessary to keep up with producing vaccines that address this. SARS-COV-2 seems to have settled on the delta variant as the dominant form and so vaccines should cover this, even if your antibodies vanish, you should still have B and T cell immunity provided you aren't immunosuppressed.