Would this change your mind about your child being vaccinated?

[pontypridd]

This woman is a reporter for the Daily Telegraph.

twitter.com/GeorgiaBClark

She's suffered from myocarditis since having the Pfizer jab. She's young

And she's still urging people to be jabbed.

This has made my mind up.

*For starters, they don’t even have any covid treatments so don’t know how they’re supposed to have found some covid jab treatments!

Myocarditis can be “treated” with rest and ibuprofen. Any damage to your heart muscle is permanent though.*

She has pericarditis, not myocarditis. Pericarditis is not a new condition that has just arrived with the Covid vaccine, there are established treatments for it. Most people with pericarditis make a full recovery with no lasting damage. And there are treatments for Covid.
Apart from that you are completely right. 🙄

Please do not post misinformation.

I’m not. As age increases the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks even more.

Where does it say otherwise?

@pontypridd

Please do not post misinformation.

I’m not. As age increases the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks even more.

Where does it say otherwise?

You said the risks outweighed the benefits. That is NOT what the JCVI said.

People don’t seem to care what the JCVI said, so I wasn’t aiming to quote them.

Adults are fully vaxed in this house but there’s no way I’d get the kids jabbed for something that’s more mild than the most mild cold (well completely symptomless actually). My dc have had covid and also been in close contact recently with another positive person with absolutely no ill effects. It’s not at all controversial to decode against giving vaccines to children when there is no benefit to them personally.

So what’s your source for vaccine risks outweighing the benefits then?

It’s common knowledge. You can search and find. I don’t care what you choose for your kids.

@pontypridd

It’s common knowledge. You can search and find. I don’t care what you choose for your kids.

So you’re not going to provide a reputable source then?

It’s one of those threads.

@pontypridd

It’s common knowledge. You can search and find. I don’t care what you choose for your kids.

You might think it's common "knowledge" but it is in fact wrong. Stop spreading misinformation.

What clearly stands out is the lack of time being the issue here, just not enough time has passed to be able to ascertain the long term effects of the vaccine. We don't even know when boosters will be needed let alone whether there are any long term side effects. The JCVI also acknowledge the uncertainty around the magnitude of potential known harms, the full except is:
"Overall, the committee is of the opinion that the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms (tables 1 to 4) but acknowledges that there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms. The margin of benefit, based primarily on a health perspective, is considered too small to support advice on a universal programme of vaccination of otherwise healthy 12 to 15-year-old children at this time. As longer-term data on potential adverse reactions accrue, greater certainty may allow for a reconsideration of the benefits and harms. Such data may not be available for several months." I've had both my jabs but want to know what risks we will be accepting before I let it anywhere near my kids, who both fall into the target age bracket.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/jcvi-statement-september-2021-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years/jcvi-statement-on-covid-19-vaccination-of-children-aged-12-to-15-years-3-september-2021

@pontypridd

Please do not post misinformation.

I’m not. As age increases the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the risks even more.

Where does it say otherwise?

Please stop @pontypridd

You post endless threads of false claims designed to scare people off being vaccinated, creating anxiety and stress for those who have chosen to go ahead.

You understand that no one can make an informed decision if they're being coerced by misinformation?

If you have a teenager, and don't want them to be vaccinated, don't sign the consent form and have a chat with them about why you feel this way. But you shouldn't need to justify it with false claims.

The assessment by the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) is that the health benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms. However, the margin of benefit is considered too small to support universal vaccination of healthy 12 to 15 year olds at this time.

I’m fed up now with tiresome idiots who try to sway other people’s opinions with deliberate misinformation and forgery - eg fake NHS consent forms sent to schools which contain misinformation, shoving anti-vaccine leaflets at children outside schools, standing in the way of children going into school with placards, disrupting walk in clinics open to 16-17 year olds so that they can’t get the vaccines they have turned up for because they have to close due to security concerns. Posting on Mumsnet is at least not directly targeting the children themselves, but it is still aggravating when rubbish is posted - like pretending or trying to imply that 100% of cases of myocarditis or pericarditis cause permanent damage to the heart muscle, or pretending that the JCVI think the risks of the vaccines outweigh the benefits for children, when that is not what they said. As the short term risks of covid are known to be less than the short term risks of the vaccine, there is no reason, imvho, to suppose the unknown long term risks of the vaccine are greater than the unknown long term risks of covid. The long term risks from either are likely extremely rare, and both equally unknown. So just leave people alone to make their own decisions without twisting the truth.

short term risks of covid are greater than the short term vaccine benefits*.

Bleurgh. I mean, JCVI said the vaccine benefits outweigh the risks even in 12-15 year olds, just not enough in their view to justify a universal vaccination programme (which viewpoint explicitly ignored the potential impact of, eg, greater educational disruption if unvaccinated). This is not the same as saying the risks outweigh the benefits, it’s the same as saying there were more risks and benefits that other experts might want to consider which the JVCI did not factor into their decision at all before coming to their own conclusion.

This is a case of a 15 year old girl who HADN'T had the vaccine but caught COVID, developed myocarditis as a result of COVID, and died. Being unvaccinated is not a zero risk choice.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/girl-15-dies-covid-day-21743935

Quite so, @WoodchipNightmares. That poor girl had no pre-existing health conditions and was due to be vaccinated on the day she died.

But of course there are always people who think they know better, and will refuse or delay vaccination for themselves and/or their kids

There are risks from being vaccinated and risks from not. I have two 12-15s and they got vaccinated a few days ago. I didn't know what to do, but one of them was very much in favour, the other wanted me to decide. The majority of their friends did get vaccinated and a significant handful didn't.

That poor girl, 15 is so very young. I know it is rare, but rare doesn't matter if it is your child.