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Greek holiday - unvaccinated guest. WWYD?

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jendifer · 14/09/2021 18:05

We’re due to fly on Saturday to a Greek island. There were six of us but one person has dropped out due to work and they’ve offered their place to a mutual friend, Sarah. Sarah isn’t vaccinated.

Current rules in Greece are that you can’t use indoor hospitality or public transport without recent test or proof of vaccine. Sarah has said she will stay in the villa when we go out to places like that.

I don’t want her to come as I think it ups the risk of all of us - data seems to say she has a 3x higher chance of testing positive than someone who is double vaccinated. I think it also impacts the group holiday and what we do. We’re staying rurally so if she stays at the villa there isn’t much she can do.

Am I being an arse about it? Some friends are saying they’re fine with it, others are saying they’re not sure.

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chipsandpeas · 14/09/2021 19:27

id be more worried when you got there she would be guilt tripping everyone for leaving her

MrsSchadenfreude · 14/09/2021 19:33

We’ve been wandering around Greece for the past three weeks. We’ve never been asked for vaccine certificates at any venue, and weren’t asked on arrival either.

hedgehogger1 · 14/09/2021 19:36

[quote Biscuitsneeded]@FreshFreesias What does that even mean?[/quote]
I think I recognise the name from another thread. Just a massive COVID denier who thinks no one should get tested...

WildfirePonie · 14/09/2021 20:56

You can still catch covid even if you've been vaccinated.

You are vaccinated = protected.

Sugarandtime · 15/09/2021 08:07

Surely you pose more of a risk to her then her to you.
She will need a negative test before she travels but you won’t, so for all she knows you and the others could have the virus.

HelloMissus · 15/09/2021 09:31

First, how will she catch COVID if she stays in the villa? Except from one of you?
Surely if you guys are out and about amongst the many unvaccinated of Greece, that’s where you’ll catch it (trust me I’m in Greece, there are zero checks anywhere).

itsgrand · 15/09/2021 11:15

you pose more of a risk to her than she does to you.

itsgrand · 15/09/2021 11:18

You will have no idea if others on the plane are vaccinated or not. The lady sitting behind you and her husband may not be vaccinated. The man in front of you may not be vaccinated. The child across the aisle definately won't be vaccinated. YOU pose more of a risk to them than they do to you.

YOU are vaccinated. That is all you need to concern yourself with.

AliceWo · 15/09/2021 12:20

@CorrBlimeyGG

It feels like if she is more likely to catch it due to not being vaccinated then we are more likely to catch it from her whilst there.

Please read that back and realise how illogical it is.

Why is it illogical? Of course there is less risk of the main group catching it if they are absent a person who is more likely to catch it.

WTAFFF · 15/09/2021 12:26

What is the logic that there is no greater risk from an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated person? Can anyone explain that to me please?

fadingfast · 15/09/2021 12:28

I would struggle to share a villa for a week with someone who has (presumably) opted not to be vaccinated against all credible medical and scientific advice, so that would be the decider for me. But I’m sure plenty will consider that highly unreasonable!

Frazzled2207 · 15/09/2021 20:49

A quick google about entry requirements to Greece tells me that she needs either a vaccine or PCR test
So assuming she has the PCR test she is very unlikely to have covid on the plane and if she is going to stay in the villa the whole time presumably very unlikely to catch it too.

So I wouldn't be worried about catching covid from her. But would be worried about the weird dynamic with supposedly the rest of you all going off on your jollies and she staying in the villa? very odd

3womeninaboat · 15/09/2021 20:53

Have you met her? I‘d worry about what her evening conversation is going to be like.

User3456 · 15/09/2021 20:58

Yeah I would be worried about catching covid from her. Even with a negative PCR test to fly, covid has an incubation period which is why there was an isolation period of 10 days for contacts (still is for adult close contacts who are not fully vaccinated).
Yes people who are vaccinated can still catch it, and can still pass it on too, but the odds on either of those happening are significantly reduced when fully vaccinated.
I wouldn't want to go on holiday with her.
YANBU.

Summersdreaming · 15/09/2021 22:25

Where in Greece? I was there recently and none of us (big group) were asked our vaccination status, ever.

Hopeisallineed · 15/09/2021 22:31

@Shelddd

It's gotten to the point where people are more scared of unvaccinated people without Covid than vaccinated people with Covid lol.

That’s not true, they just don’t want to go on holiday with them. I’d be more worried she was some loony conspiracy theorist who I had to put up with and who would spoil my holiday with her non-sensical drivel.

XenoBitch · 15/09/2021 22:34

Wont your friend be having tests anyway? And there is the silly assumption that double vaccinated people can't have covid so they dont get tested. Your unvaccinated friend is probably more safe than you.

Katie517 · 15/09/2021 22:45

She will have tested negative to get on the plane, she can use that test result to get into restaurants etc. but from my experience no one checks when out and about. She is no risk to you, if you are comfortable to get on the plane and go out to places with people who have been unvaccinated what’s the difference?!

StarCat2020 · 15/09/2021 23:48

The attitude that people are stupid for not getting vaccinated pisses me off.

I wanted to get vaccinated and then my friend got vaccinated and unfortunately is one of a tiny number of people who got VITT and is no longer here.

For this reason I do not want the AZ vaccine (call me pathetic if you want) but medical care where I live is no existent right now and I am not prepared to worry when there are two other perfectly effective vaccines available but that they won't give me because I am 42.

Shelddd · 15/09/2021 23:57

@WTAFFF

What is the logic that there is no greater risk from an unvaccinated person than a vaccinated person? Can anyone explain that to me please?

If someone has Covid they have covid, already studies showing those with Covid have just as high viral loads and are just as likely to infect others. They do catch Covid at a lower rate though of course.

But you're less likely to catch covid from someone unvaccinated who has a negative covid test than from a vaccinated person who hasn't had a test, as rate of false negatives is lower than rate of vaccinated people who still catch covid.

Whatshouldicallme · 15/09/2021 23:59

If you are willing to travel on airplanes and in crowded airports, visit indoors venues with people you don't know, etc to go on a holiday you are exposing yourself to significant COVID risk. It's a bit irrational to be worried about this one person increasing your risk when you will be exposing yourself to close contact with so many people in other ways. You are just as likely to end up near unvaccinated strangers or vaccinated people who have caught COVID during your travels anyway.

Kokeshi123 · 16/09/2021 00:04

I think it will be OK, but you might want to make it clear that you and the other jabbed people will be spending a fair bit of time doing jabbed-only things, so she will need to have a think about what she'll do instead during that time. Just so that she does not end up kinda half expecting/hoping that people will cancel things and spend their time hanging out with her in the house instead.

As long as she's the self sufficient type, I don't think it's a problem; group holidays tend to work best when people are not joined at the hip and feel free to peel off and spend time doing their own thing at times.

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