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Covid vaccine for a 12 year old boy with no underlying conditions

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happytoday73 · 14/09/2021 13:09

I feel very conflicted about what to do for my son vaccine wise. Where is the best place for more unbiased information to make this choice?

Dont get me wrong..I'm pro vaccine. I'm vaccinated for covid and would love to get a booster... but 2 years too young!

My son has had all his vaccines and thankfully is fit, healthy, sporty....but
I just don't know...on balance it feels his individual risk from covid is very very low, adverse reaction to vaccine again very very low (but significantly higher)... So why bother?

I totally get why only 1 vaccine shot being offered. But again that doesn't give the advantages that come with being fully vaccinated....

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Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 20:28

@noblegiraffe

No, dodgy has been defined as having links to dodgy anti-lockdown organisations and working for them 'on the inside'.
Just searched for ‘Dingwall anti lockdown links’ and couldn’t see anything on the first three pages. Can you post a link or two?

I’m also not so sure that just believing that lockdowns do more harm than good is necessarily dodgy. It’s a long way from that to being an actual COVID denier, which is obviously loony.

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:32

Here you go, HART chat logs. Mike Yeadon (thinks vaccines are an attempt to depopulate the earth) telling other HART anti-lockdown campaigners "I was in touch with Dingwall back in early autumn. He told me he was staying in to try & influence from inside".

Covid vaccine for a 12 year old boy with no underlying conditions
Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 20:33

@noblegiraffe

why it’s disappointing to see people here taking the lazy route and just disparaging the body (and the experts on it)

I don't think you understand what you're talking about here...

How Disappointing - I actually liked your various posts about the situation in schools and agreed with just about everything you were saying. Maybe I was just too stupid to understand that properly too though.
noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:34

Dingwall's the guy who went on Newsnight and said that Long Covid was mostly psychological. Here's a former director of the WHO slating him for spreading disinformation www.thenational.scot/news/19456616.former-chief-blasts-bbc-promoting-misinformation-pandemic/

Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 20:35

@noblegiraffe

Here you go, HART chat logs. Mike Yeadon (thinks vaccines are an attempt to depopulate the earth) telling other HART anti-lockdown campaigners "I was in touch with Dingwall back in early autumn. He told me he was staying in to try & influence from inside".
That’s it? Anything other than a screenshot of some chat that literally anyone could have put together in five minutes?
noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:36

How Disappointing - I actually liked your various posts about the situation in schools and agreed with just about everything you were saying

You accused people of 'taking the lazy route' and 'disparaging experts' and my comment that I didn't think you understood what you were talking about seems reasonable given that you actually don't?

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:37

Anything other than a screenshot of some chat that literally anyone could have put together in five minutes?

The logs are available online for anyone to look at if you're that bothered.

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:45

Here's Dingwall retweeting UsforThem a few days ago.

Covid vaccine for a 12 year old boy with no underlying conditions
Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 20:47

[quote noblegiraffe]Dingwall's the guy who went on Newsnight and said that Long Covid was mostly psychological. Here's a former director of the WHO slating him for spreading disinformation www.thenational.scot/news/19456616.former-chief-blasts-bbc-promoting-misinformation-pandemic/[/quote]
Not quite what I asked for which was links to anti-lockdown orgs. We already know that Dingwall has some opinions that differ from the mainstream but also that long COVID is still reasonably contentious as to just how widespread it is and what the mechanisms are. It hardly marks him as some hatstand conspiracy nut.

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:51

Ok, so Dingwall spouts crap on Newsnight, retweets fucking UsforThem, and is spoken of approvingly by Yeadon who says he's working on the inside for them but sure, you can give him the benefit of the doubt if you like.

I actually said the JCVI was less dodgy when they made the decision not to vaccinate 12+ because he had left by then.

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 14/09/2021 20:52

Not sure if this has been shared or not, but you may find this helpful with your decision making?

Teenage boys more at risk from vaccines than Covid

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/09/teenage-boys-risk-vaccines-covid/amp/

WineGetsMeThroughIt · 14/09/2021 20:53

And another

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study

Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 20:54

@noblegiraffe

How Disappointing - I actually liked your various posts about the situation in schools and agreed with just about everything you were saying

You accused people of 'taking the lazy route' and 'disparaging experts' and my comment that I didn't think you understood what you were talking about seems reasonable given that you actually don't?

So do you want to tell me what don’t I understand? Or do you just prefer to patronise?
noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 20:58

So do you want to tell me what don’t I understand? Or do you just prefer to patronise?

That maybe when you accused people of taking the 'lazy route' and 'disparaging experts' perhaps there are genuine concerns about certain experts that you were, up till now, apparently unaware of?

Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 21:03

@noblegiraffe

Ok, so Dingwall spouts crap on Newsnight, retweets fucking UsforThem, and is spoken of approvingly by Yeadon who says he's working on the inside for them but sure, you can give him the benefit of the doubt if you like.

I actually said the JCVI was less dodgy when they made the decision not to vaccinate 12+ because he had left by then.

But still obviously dodgy then, by inference. Why are they still dodgy (honest question if you care to answer it)?
noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 21:10

Because, as Beware pointed out before, they were very clear that they could only comment on health benefits, but then went on to sneak into their report that kids might need time off school for vaccine side effects. And as I said, in their previous report, they went well outside their remit to suggest that kids who had covid should still go to school to reduce the education gap for disadvantaged kids.

And it's weird that they didn't address long covid data in their analysis.

Their reports on this have been odd and they haven't given me the data I want. It does, as Beware commented, make it very difficult for parents to make decisions when the working isn't clearly laid out.

Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 21:13

@noblegiraffe

So do you want to tell me what don’t I understand? Or do you just prefer to patronise?

That maybe when you accused people of taking the 'lazy route' and 'disparaging experts' perhaps there are genuine concerns about certain experts that you were, up till now, apparently unaware of?

There’s a bit of a difference between not understanding something and not being aware of someone else’s concerns (mainly because no-one seems to want to say what they are). If you’re going to call people ‘discredited’ or ‘dodgy’ you should at least attempt to explain why (which you are at least doing now admittedly).
Remmy123 · 14/09/2021 21:13

I don't think you shouid until you are 100% comfortable.

There is no rush

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 21:16

There’s a bit of a difference between not understanding something and not being aware of someone else’s concerns

But you leapt straight into calling people lazy instead of asking what the concerns are, why would you expect a patient answer?

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 21:16

There is no rush

There is if you want to lessen the risk of your kid catching covid this term as I don't think covid is going to wait.

BungleandGeorge · 14/09/2021 21:20

[quote WineGetsMeThroughIt]And another

Boys more at risk from Pfizer jab side-effect than Covid, suggests study

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/10/boys-more-at-risk-from-pfizer-jab-side-effect-than-covid-suggests-study[/quote]
I think this is quite a good balanced article. I may have missed it in the article but covid itself does also cause myocarditis.
In adults some long covid is now being linked with clotting abnormalities l, which can be picked up on blood tests so there is objective evidence that there is a more serious post covid syndrome. I expect some is more straightforward post viral illness and children fortunately are more likely to be the latter.
OP I think there is no consensus in medical opinion, a lot of the benefits are very hard to quantify because they are social rather than health as in older people. Has your son had covid? What are his feelings on the vaccination? What are the advantages for him?

Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 21:21

@noblegiraffe

Because, as Beware pointed out before, they were very clear that they could only comment on health benefits, but then went on to sneak into their report that kids might need time off school for vaccine side effects. And as I said, in their previous report, they went well outside their remit to suggest that kids who had covid should still go to school to reduce the education gap for disadvantaged kids.

And it's weird that they didn't address long covid data in their analysis.

Their reports on this have been odd and they haven't given me the data I want. It does, as Beware commented, make it very difficult for parents to make decisions when the working isn't clearly laid out.

You see this I agree with and you do have to wonder why they are seemingly not being consistent. Up until now I had assumed that they did take everything into account when recommending, or not, a vaccine. It’s only now that they seem to be saying their remit only covers health.

Given that a number of them are not health professionals but sociologists and the like, it would seem strange if their remit was not to take other factors into consideration.

I suspect our suspicions as to what is causing this kind of confusion are slightly different though.

Notthemessiah · 14/09/2021 21:25

@noblegiraffe

There’s a bit of a difference between not understanding something and not being aware of someone else’s concerns

But you leapt straight into calling people lazy instead of asking what the concerns are, why would you expect a patient answer?

Because in my opinion it is lazy to call something ‘dodgy’ or people ‘discredited’ without bothering to explain why. If you’re making an accusation, it’s on you to provide something to back it up, not me to have to ask for it.
Remmy123 · 14/09/2021 21:27

@noblegiraffe that's if you are worried about your kid catching it. Most are not, I'm not. They had it and weren't ill! Had worse colds.

noblegiraffe · 14/09/2021 21:31

I'd already posted my concerns about their weird reporting on this thread, and it wasn't me who originally referred to 'discredited members'...

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