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Vaccinations For 12 - 15 year olds

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CurryLover55 · 14/09/2021 11:08

Wondering what everyone’s thoughts are on this? I was taking DD12 to school this morning & she heard about it on the radio & immediately said she wasn’t going to have it. She is a very anxious child but has been ok with needles before. She told me she hates needles & would have a panic attack, therefore they wouldn’t be able to give her the injection. I would much rather she had it, especially as numbers of cases have gone up considerably in Cornwall during the summer season. There are quite a few cases in DD’s year apparently.

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Claraboochuffing · 15/09/2021 07:18

@DontWantTheRivalry

My cousin has a 13 year old daughter and she doesn’t want her vaccinated. She said that generally, people have vaccines to protect themselves whereas in this instance she feels children are being given them in order to protect others. She said she doesn’t feel comfortable with that concept at all and says if there is no health benefit for her daughter on a personal level then why risk any negative side effects of the vaccine by unnecessarily having it.

But rubella is generally mild in children ..part of the reason we give it is to protect unborn children.

Schoolchoicesucks · 15/09/2021 07:22

I think the nasal flu vaccine rollout in children is in large part to prevent community transmission too.

Backinthebox · 15/09/2021 07:40

@Bubbles34 This vaccine has more negative side effects than any other vaccine in history

That’s a big statement to make! How does the Covid vaccine compare with, say, the smallpox vaccine? I’d love to see your reference for this claim.

ittakes2 · 15/09/2021 08:56

She has lots of needles to overcome in the next few years - along with 2 xHVP she will be needing a tetnus/dip etc booster shot in year 9.

Kiwi09 · 15/09/2021 09:07

@CurryLover55 what are the vaccinators like? Here they’d take all the time your daughter needs to help her feel comfortable. I heard about one kid who went in and was so nervous they left again, but a few days later he went back and managed to overcome his fear and was really proud of himself. Do you have drive through options? I found that to be really good for a nervous child. They could just sit in the comfort of a car they knew and it was all a bit novel so distracting.

Geamhradh · 15/09/2021 09:16

[quote Backinthebox]**@Bubbles34* This vaccine has more negative side effects than any other vaccine in history*

That’s a big statement to make! How does the Covid vaccine compare with, say, the smallpox vaccine? I’d love to see your reference for this claim.[/quote]
The misinformation post from pp has been thankfully deleted.

ChristinaMarlowe · 15/09/2021 09:47

@Geamhradh I actually read similar in the BMJ tbf. Is it true? Don't know but really it's about the risk of the vaccine compared to the risk of the virus, not the risk of this vaccine compared to all other vaccines in history! My only concern with children and teens is longterm effects, we don't know. No one knows and without a time machine we can't know for 10-20 years really.
It's personal choice and if that is her personal choice and the government are saying it is up to a minor to decide - cover all the risks and benefits with her. Fear of needles is not a good reason to refuse it, fear of the unknown when your whole life is ahead of you is. Difficult one.
Perhaps she could have just one jab, that is good enough with the virus circulating so much, but of natural immunity from contact and one dose seems logical although I personally wouldn't want my children to have it if they were that age, not yet anyway.

herecomesthsun · 15/09/2021 12:08

[quote ChristinaMarlowe]@Geamhradh I actually read similar in the BMJ tbf. Is it true? Don't know but really it's about the risk of the vaccine compared to the risk of the virus, not the risk of this vaccine compared to all other vaccines in history! My only concern with children and teens is longterm effects, we don't know. No one knows and without a time machine we can't know for 10-20 years really.
It's personal choice and if that is her personal choice and the government are saying it is up to a minor to decide - cover all the risks and benefits with her. Fear of needles is not a good reason to refuse it, fear of the unknown when your whole life is ahead of you is. Difficult one.
Perhaps she could have just one jab, that is good enough with the virus circulating so much, but of natural immunity from contact and one dose seems logical although I personally wouldn't want my children to have it if they were that age, not yet anyway. [/quote]
Can you link to the article (or letter) in the BMJ please?

fadingfast · 15/09/2021 12:21

OP my DS(16) is similarly phobic about needles and was very reluctant to have the jab, not because he didn’t want it but because he hates all injections. I think in the end he managed to go through with it because he wanted to do what he could to protect others more vulnerable and also because his year 10 and 11 at school were so disrupted, he wanted to reduce the risk of more disruption to his A levels. We had several chats about it, at his own pace (he really didn’t like me ‘going on about it’ when I tried to broach the subject) and he eventually agreed. I said that while the risks of severe disease was very low for him, I was more worried about lingering effects of the illness, particularly as he plays a brass instrument at quite a high level. I think that’s what perhaps swung it for him. Could your Dd be persuaded on similar grounds?

Mojoj · 15/09/2021 12:36

Children don't need to be vaccinated. It's a no brainer for me. We have all had Covid and survived. No way will I be subjecting my boys to this vaccine.

ChristinaMarlowe · 15/09/2021 12:59

@herecomesthsun I can't remember what it was called, presumably you can Google if you want or look through the articles, not got time but can do so later. First one I came across looking for it was this, though which is more relevant if anything - risk of vaccination 4x greater than risk of virus for teen boys. Not got time to keep looking but going to read that in full later, too.
We are none of us experts and the experts admit they don't know all the answers to all the questions. You can only use the resources available and your own mind and values to navigate it. Imagine if we had a government we could trust - would be very different. The Times had a good article from a female Dr involved in the creation of the vaccine/vaccines and said boosters were a bad idea and wouldn't work if two doses didn't, again not got time to cite it but Google will point you to it.
Here is the one te. 4x risk in lads, they will know more when they have tested it on more teens, nothing else anyone can say really until we see the real time longterm effects studied.

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2251

herecomesthsun · 15/09/2021 13:06

Thanks, I couldn't find the first article you mentioned either.

I think the second article quoted has been criticised for not comparing like with like; but as you say it is a preprint and there's limited information about method & etc

Choconuttolata · 15/09/2021 13:10

BMJ discussion Covid-19 vaccination in children: evidence, ethics and equity.

Semmelweiss · 28/09/2021 08:09

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