UK sends 4 million Pfizer vaccines to Australia

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9954357/Boris-Johnson-sends-FOUR-MILLION-Pfizer-doses-Australia.html

so there is not shortage to explain why 12-15 years cannot be vaccinated in the UK or why we can't give everyone over 50 and CEV/CV boosters, and certainly the UK is not thinking about low-income countries in sending 4 million vaccines overseas.

@PicsInRed

It's probably a travel deal in the pipeline not a trade deal - quarantine free NSW Aussie hols for double jabbed British holiday makers. Reunite families, Brits get hols to Aussie, Aussie's get hols to the UK, Merry Boris saved Christmas, everyone's happy.

Extremely unlikely.

The boosters if they happen for the over 50s will be September till Christmas if not longer, as they will want to spread them out otherwise people will be having booster only a few month after their second. So it makes sense to send ones close to expiry for new ones to be delivered latter in the year.

Singapore has also sent half a million doses of Pfizer, in an exchange/swap deal.

www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/pfizer-doses-availability-australia-singapore-covid-19/100421462

I dont read about it no more...too much info...do they actually work..whats happening in israel...???

@seb342

I thought they were not vaccinating 12-15 year olds because the JCVI are not recommending it, not because we don't have enough doses?

This.

The risk of longer term heart problems is considered to be greater than the benefit of vaccination for this age group.

But that’s not what the frothers want you to think.

Yup Australia are vaccinating their 12+ so need the doSes, whereas we arent....

Actually there probably are not. Largely deaths occur in western nations because of significantly older and fatter populations, it is one of the reasons why the death rates in most of Africa have been low comparatively, despite much less adequate healthcare.

Median age in the Congo 17
Median age in Oz 37
Median age in the UK 40

There's a reason the majority world isn't doing as badly as one would expect.

Obesity rates (respectively):

9%
31%
28%

It's not rocket science, is it?

Oz has a bigher obesity rate than the UK? I didn't know that!

It’s a swap.

@PileOfBooks

Oz has a bigher obesity rate than the UK? I didn't know that!

I visit Oz a lot and was very surprised when I first went as the amount of obese people was mind blowing.

We have ozzy relatives who (unfavourably for us) make comparions and always claim uk smokes/drinks more/is fatter. Not like the amazing Australia....

I think part of it will be demographic - they are more affluent. However I'd begun to believe the "healthy/ outdoor lifestyle" mantra.

I think we’ve just announced we’re not vaccinating healthy 12-15 year olds so that is where the spare capacity is.

Pretty sure we’ll still be needing those doses to vaccinate 12-15.

@PileOfBooks

Yup Australia are vaccinating their 12+ so need the doSes, whereas we arent....

We will. Fairly sure the government will overrrule the jvci.

The damage may well be done if they overrule the JVCI. In that many parents will listen to them rather than the government. But it will be good for those that want to vaccinate to have the choice. That’s a different thread though.

I guess we have lots of spares. That’s the bottom line. Where those spares go though..

There's a reason the majority world isn't doing as badly as one would expect.

Countries like DR Congo are not the majority though. The majority of the world's population now lives in middle income countries like China, India, Brazil, Indonesia and Mexico.

It's these middle income countries that have been hardest hit by COVID, because they hit the un-sweet spot. They are just wealthy enough to have large numbers of older and fatter people.... but not wealthy enough to be able to elbow their way to the front of the vaccine queue.

Surprised people didn't know that Oz has high obesity rates. I know it has a sporty image, but the average Ozzie is pretty overweight. Not that Brits are all that much better.

More people in Australia look like Alf from Neighbours than Mike from Neighbours. I used to joke that you could tell exactly how far you were from Sydney. Because in Sydney you'd get a salad with some steak bits. Then gradually as you moved away, a few chips/less salad, Eventually massive steak, all chips, no salad (maybe a garnish).

That was 20 years ago though. Maybe it's better now.

Countries like DR Congo are not the majority though. The majority of the world's population now lives in middle income countries like China, India, Brazil, Indonesia and Mexico.

This is true but even in these countries, the majority of people are poorer, younger and slimmer. With a billion people though, that's an awful lot of older, fatter people. And the median age is definitely approaching us.

Older vulnerable people outside of the U.K. need 1 dose far more than our healthy teens or a third dose for the double jabbed.

You can argue if other countries need it more than Aus, but a certain amount comes down to said country’s seriousness in rolling it out.

I’ve know Aus U.K. and US are higher re obesity but didn’t know Aus was higher than U.K. - although it’s pretty close anyway

Japan is a low country and I have wondered how much that has contributed - against other elements such as cultural differences, SARS possibly and processes

There's a limited number of countries that have the infrastructure to make effective use of short date Pfizer and which currently have a excess of demand over supply.