I've had a ridiculously sociable weekend

[LegendaryReady]

I seem to have well and truly got back to usual, without even considering the risks. That's quite a change for me and now, in the cold light of day seems quite reckless.

Saturday - I shared a car with 4 others to a sports event that I competed in with numerous others (albeit outdoors). Lunch in a cafe. We started outdoors but then it rained.

• Then I went to a museum, which was fairly quiet and people were wearing masks and distancing.

• Then 20 of us went for a curry. Very busy restaurant

Sunday - long bike ride with half a dozen friends. Coffee and cake stop. All outdoors except for toilet and ordering.

Monday - Group of six (different people to previous 2 days) train journey (masks worn) to busy seaside town to see a band play at a pub. It was outdoors but indoors for the bar and toilet. Then on to a restaurant for dinner and home on the train.

It's been a great weekend and was good to see places buzzing again. Writing it all down I also just realised how much I must have spent! It was good to "live" a bit, finally, before going back to work in school tomorrow.

I am a bit nervous about the LFT I will do tonight ahead of the return though. And also horrified at the number of contacts I will have had, if I did test positive.

I've really been very "good" until the last couple of weeks. No wonder the numbers are increasing so much I'm fully vaccinated and so are the vast majority of people I know, but despite that I think I known more currently positive people now than I have at any point in the pandemic. Thankfully though, they don't seem to be getting very ill and people are testing regularly and doing the right thing as soon as they test positive.

Have others suddenly found themselves relaxing? There were certainly lots of others doing similar to me this weekend.

We didn't have Delta last year.

I've gone through the maths multiple times, the R for Delta + vaccines is higher than the R for Original Covid.

A tiny little detail, I appreciate.

😂 😂 😂

And to be perfectly honest, "cases" doesn't matter. Doesn't matter that there are double vaccinated people who feel a bit peaky for a few days.

What matters is that the vaccinated people are far, far less likely to need medical treatment, far less likely to be admitted to hospital, stay shorter periods in hospital to be treated, and are far less likely to day.

Cases at this point is a very unhelpful measure.

There are literally dozens of kids off school with Covid in my children's school. None are "ill".

I've gone through the maths multiple times

But was it noisy?

@NannyAndJohn

We didn't have Delta last year.

I've gone through the maths multiple times, the R for Delta + vaccines is higher than the R for Original Covid.

Nobody's interested in your maths.

Do bore off.

My daughter has already had to isolate due to her teacher testing positive. I didn’t begrudge it then, and I won’t if it happens this term.
I don’t believe in blaming people for catching an extremely transmissible virus.

I had a busy day Friday and Saturday was sharing cabs, dinner in a restaurant and after drinks with 16 others
Sunday was at a fun day all day had a great time
Lots of plans yesterday with friends
Sunday night felt grotty, yesterday couldn’t get out of bed, shakes, shits, temperature, aches, sweats, headache, not eaten for 2 days now Everything tastes awful
Negative lateral flow and pcr

There’s more out there than covid

@NannyAndJohn I'm genuinely interested, what would you suggest people do (at this point)? What would suggest the government do? For how long? And what measures should be put in place to counteract the damaging effects of those restrictions?

I understand you think the current strategy is bad and that people's behaviours are irresponsible; so, what would be a better strategy? How should people behave?

Of all the people who I know who have/ had Covid(and it's a lot now!)they didn't catch it from random people while shopping/ galleries/ museums. It's from people they know who were positive.

Ds got it from a mate he stayed with, I very nearly socialised with 8 close friends , he got his PCR results back in time so I cancelled but could've given it to them. When you are socialising with friends we are less likely to socially distance as we feel comfortable.

This thread does a good job of explaining why cases are sky high.

They're also increasing geometrically in New South Wales, which is under a lockdown so feverishly strict that they've had Mrs Mangel types phoning the police after spotting children playing in their own gardens without masks on.

Since cases are going to go up anyway, I guess we may as well enjoy ourselves in the meantime. (shrugs)

Maybe it won't affect them so much, but they could pass it on to the CEV or give someone Long Covid

Same with lots of illnesses which are mild/asymptomatic for most but dangerous to the vulnerable. Why is covid different to these? Shall we never go to a cafe or theatre again in case we pass on flu unwittingly?

A positive test and you're up the shitter

You could test positive after going to the supermarket or to a medical appointment. Most people are mixing with (sometimes hundreds) of people a day at work. Should they not go to work?

They were relatively low this time last year

There were no nightclubs, gigs, festivals etc this time last year. People weren't mixing as they are now. They weren't taking LFTs twice a week and picking up cases that would've gone unnoticed. And, crucially, there were no vaccines - so those who caught covid were more likely to become ill, particularly the vulnerable.

@NannyAndJohn

It's been 18 months now Nanny and covid is still with us. It will be with us for a while yet! We need to get on with it now, yes follow the guidelines but otherwise get on with it.
Why would anyone begrudge teachers for living their life and enjoying the summer break?
Once schools go back, I'm sure numbers will rise. It could be either children or school staff passing it round. I'm sure most children and their families have been out socialising/holidaying. Why is it always down to teachers?

[quote Jourdain11]@NannyAndJohn I'm genuinely interested, what would you suggest people do (at this point)? What would suggest the government do? For how long? And what measures should be put in place to counteract the damaging effects of those restrictions?

I understand you think the current strategy is bad and that people's behaviours are irresponsible; so, what would be a better strategy? How should people behave?[/quote]
Masks and SD never should've gone. I'd get rid of indoor mixing and reintroduce the Rule of Six outdoors.

And begin to draw up the plans for our next Lockdown.

Oh well I've done my test. All good, so I suppose I'm going to have to go back tomorrow

@TheKeatingFive I agree and feel exactly the same. Life is toooo short. What's the point of this huge vaccination programme that has been brilliant if nothing changes.

@Kokeshi123

This thread does a good job of explaining why cases are sky high.

They're also increasing geometrically in New South Wales, which is under a lockdown so feverishly strict that they've had Mrs Mangel types phoning the police after spotting children playing in their own gardens without masks on.

Since cases are going to go up anyway, I guess we may as well enjoy ourselves in the meantime. (shrugs)

Keep up, @Kokeshi123. You should know that cases don't increase geometrically, they increase EXPONENTIALLY and it's obligatory to type it in capital letters.

Australia is way, way behind on vaccination compared with UK.

@NannyAndJohn

We didn't have Delta last year.

I've gone through the maths multiple times, the R for Delta + vaccines is higher than the R for Original Covid.

To be fair, your maths (which you claimed made your 'projections' of 100k cases a day by JuneJulyAugustWhenever reliable) aren't particularly good. Despite the degree you tell us about so often.

My teenage daughter saw one of her science teachers at the festival we went to. Good for him! 🍻

I hope all of my children’s teachers had a great summer- whether they decided to travel, party or stay at home. God knows they deserved a break after the year they’d had.

@NannyAndJohn why are you so obsessed with 'the next' lockdown? What will you do if no more lockdowns happen?

What will you think / talk about?

Omg. I read these threads for some normality and then have to stop reading because of neurotic people like @NannyAndJohn who seem to positively revel in being locked down and restricted for ever. I am always aware of CEV family/friends....as is my sister who has stage four cancer and desperately wants and needs to be able to live the rest of her life to the max now.

*Masks and SD never should've gone. I'd get rid of indoor mixing and reintroduce the Rule of Six outdoors.

And begin to draw up the plans for our next Lockdown*

Would you have these rules permanently? Despite the fact that covid will always be with us? And that SD makes many businesses unviable, and means people cannot mix indoors with loved ones, ever? Are you proposing we all live solitary lives permanently going forward?

And lockdowns are only required if the NHS is under pressure. It's not.

@NannyAndJohn Okay - for how long? How should businesses be compensated? (i e. those which would suffer from a ban on indoor mixing) What should "our next lockdown" look like at this stage? Is there an exit strategy? What about MH impacts like worsening of pre-existing conditions, health anxiety, OCD...?

Good for you, OP! Me too, and it feels great to be living again and seeing life get back to normal.

who seem to positively revel in being locked down and restricted for ever.

Some people quite clearly love it. Which is cool, the poster in question is obviously perfectly content to live her life as a hologram.

It’s the need to drag everyone else with her that’s

@NannyAndJohn

Almost 40000 a day and rising is the very definition of sky high, *@Overthebow*. And schools haven't even gone back yet.

26500 yesterday and a 7 day average of 33000 is nowhere near 40000.