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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 10:54

@MuslinsRLife

Why shouldn’t you work from home if you can though? What’s the problem? It brings much better work/life balance.

You sound extremely angry & hurt but playing the blame game won’t help. This has been an extreme pandemic which nobody foresaw.

We both worked, I worked from home with a 2&4 year old, it was hell. My husband went out to work in a factory with hundreds of offers, he liked the normality of it. There are no winners in this game in my opinion, should be get financial compensation too?

I’m not extremely angry merely irritated. With respect you probably would have felt differently about him working with hundreds of others if he’d been one of the many who died or been disabled through the infection. And yes I’m sure you’d have been wanting compensation for your loss.
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QueenHofScotland · 22/08/2021 10:54

The OP’s first paragraph describes me.

DH and I have worked from home since March 2020. I work in social care and have had some days in the office to support workers on annual leave etc But generally speaking I have been primarily home based. We’ve had a home delivery slot since March 2020 too. We initially got it for my mum who was shielding and continued to use it as its convenient for us. We haven’t been on public transport because we have had no need to use it and don’t tend to use it anyway (DH did previously but no longer commuting). We have followed all of the Scottish Gov guidelines / legislation so haven’t been socialising until recently. I don’t resent having to go back into the office, I quite like being in and seeing other people! However, I’ve realised me being home is better for my children so I would love if I could incorporate some home working into my working week as we move forward. And yes we have managed to save some money - from our commute, childcare, not buying coffees/lunches etc

It wasn’t plain sailing for me as my mum had dementia and was shielding - I’ve had a tough year in other ways but in terms of everything you describe in your OP, yes I am probably one of those “privileged middle class” you describe.

I feel fortunate that we were able to be safe at home and so thankful to those key workers who continued to work and keep our country moving - and of course save lives. I feel desperately sad when I hear of the loss experienced due to Covid.

However, I’m a bit perplexed as what would you have wanted me to do?

My work sent me home. DH was the same. I was able to fulfil my role at home - with difficulty at time but it was on the whole possible for me. We were told not to socialise, not to use public transport unless essential. It’s only very recently that some of these restrictions have lifted.

So many of my friends / acquaintances put up posts on Facebook to say “please stay at home”, don’t break the rules etc.

I feel we can’t win?!

HoneyItAlreadyDid · 22/08/2021 10:55

I had hoped at the start of this that it would result in greater appreciation for the people we really needed when the shit hit the fan. Not just doctors and nurses, but refuse collectors, shop workers, teachers and other staff in schools. Yes, I’d hoped perhaps there would be financial recognition but also a greater appreciation in society in general. That hasn’t happened, despite clapping for carers or whatever. On this thread there are cheerful suggestions to retrain and get an office job. WTF would society do if all the key workers did that? 😂

Whinge · 22/08/2021 10:55

a lot of worries about being redeployed again/being burnt out from those who have been in the whole time. Staff are cutting down their hours, moving to different jobs, going on bank - the NHS is facing a workforce nightmare.

I think this is a huge concern, and one that's being replicated in education settings too. Staff burn out seems to be higher than ever, and the constant negativity in the media for some professions has made a difficult situation even worse.

m0therofdragons · 22/08/2021 10:55

@MrsLargeEmbodied
felt disgusted by the immediate evacuation of nhs managers to their homes

I have to work from home one day a week because we’ve had to space desks out and so need to share but I’m in 4 days a week (5 if my boss is off). I’ve also been on call 24/7. Your experience of Nhs bosses doesn’t reflect my hospital. We’re on site so staff can get immediate support and action.

Wizzbangfizz · 22/08/2021 10:56

I've worked from home but been back in as soon as we were able. I've hated it and I could weep for what the city has lost in terms of small businesses etc

I'm sick to death of people moaning about being forced back and moaning about their commute etc so I do empathise with you there. Plenty of people have benefitted from this pandemic and have zero desire to return to normal which I think is really very sad.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 10:57

@Mochaberoca

Also, saying furlough wasn't paid and so hospitality etc stayed open throughout (not going to entertain the opinion that people should be forced onto benefits which means they'll lose their homes or go without pay as an alternative), do you think your job would have been easier with much higher levels of covid about? Curious about that one.
Some people being protected -financially and their health - through being furloughed or WFH doesn’t negate the risks taken by staff who went out to work and supported them being in that position. It just doesn’t.
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MedSchoolRat · 22/08/2021 10:59

Why is that so hard to believe?

Because I had 3 (I miscounted earlier) DC in kw occupations and yet they don't know a single person who was very ill with covid, much less died*. I also work with GPs & consultants & none of them have even mentioned being personally ill with covid. And yet every single friend or family person you have in your life both had covid & was definitely harmed by it. Does sound especially unusual.

Also, that's a narrow social circle. That every single person in your family & friendship group is in a "cannon fodder" occupation.

Except the ones you met at "gathering the other day." So these are brand new people to you. Maybe you can persuade these new social contacts to pay the danger-money you want out of their inflated salaries, rather than try to get your compensation from general taxation. Put your energy to good use.

*Lots of people I know or DC know or DC themselves have mentioned feeling ill from the vaccination itself. This is a commonly discussed experience. I think they'd mention the illness itself making them sick, if it did.

Mochaberoca · 22/08/2021 10:59

Some people being protected -financially and their health - through being furloughed or WFH doesn’t negate the risks taken by staff who went out to work and supported them being in that position. It just doesn’t.

Of course it does, so you really think if everyone was out and about as usual numbers wouldn't have been substantially higher? Offices many of which with no social distancing as no space, pubs and clubs open, public transport as rammed as ever? Really? Again, be angry, but not at people who didn't make the decisions and followed what they had to do.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 11:03

@QueenHofScotland

The OP’s first paragraph describes me.

DH and I have worked from home since March 2020. I work in social care and have had some days in the office to support workers on annual leave etc But generally speaking I have been primarily home based. We’ve had a home delivery slot since March 2020 too. We initially got it for my mum who was shielding and continued to use it as its convenient for us. We haven’t been on public transport because we have had no need to use it and don’t tend to use it anyway (DH did previously but no longer commuting). We have followed all of the Scottish Gov guidelines / legislation so haven’t been socialising until recently. I don’t resent having to go back into the office, I quite like being in and seeing other people! However, I’ve realised me being home is better for my children so I would love if I could incorporate some home working into my working week as we move forward. And yes we have managed to save some money - from our commute, childcare, not buying coffees/lunches etc

It wasn’t plain sailing for me as my mum had dementia and was shielding - I’ve had a tough year in other ways but in terms of everything you describe in your OP, yes I am probably one of those “privileged middle class” you describe.

I feel fortunate that we were able to be safe at home and so thankful to those key workers who continued to work and keep our country moving - and of course save lives. I feel desperately sad when I hear of the loss experienced due to Covid.

However, I’m a bit perplexed as what would you have wanted me to do?

My work sent me home. DH was the same. I was able to fulfil my role at home - with difficulty at time but it was on the whole possible for me. We were told not to socialise, not to use public transport unless essential. It’s only very recently that some of these restrictions have lifted.

So many of my friends / acquaintances put up posts on Facebook to say “please stay at home”, don’t break the rules etc.

I feel we can’t win?!

What is like you to do:

Don’t whinge about returning to workplaces. It’s insensitive.
If you all stop commuting the costs will go up for those of us who are forced to. If you stop then we move some money from home workers as a tax to subsidise transport.
Shoulder more of the financial burden so that the people who took the risks get a little bit of compensation back, or at the very least aren’t worse off financially.

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Imnothereforthedrama · 22/08/2021 11:03

Yes I’ve been accepted to Cambridge to do a masters so I’ll be off. Shame for the patients though.

Well I’m disappointed op so your a educated intelligent woman but you can’t open your mind that those on furlough or wfh had no option , and actually you did benefit from those staying at home because you didn’t get overwhelmed with patients and thankfully you didn’t get seriously ill from covid . Also you seem angry about anyone catching Covid I mean make you mind up your angry that those stayed at home but you couldn’t, but you seem to blame those staying at Home for passing Covid on which one is it ? .
Your every right to be miffed and change profession but don’t for one minute try and put the blame on the furlough and wfh as they were simply following orders . They tried to make the most of it and sold maybe enjoyed it but hardly a crime is it .?

minipie · 22/08/2021 11:03

I don’t think it’s fair to be resentful of people who stayed home. It made sense as a way to keep case numbers down and they had no choice anyway.

I do agree that the pay for the jobs which kept going does not reflect the risk of catching covid - it was never expected that these jobs would be riskier in that way so that wasn’t built in to the pay scale.

Should that now be recognised with different tax regimes? Not sure.

I do think there is a huge debate to be had about how we pay the enormous furlough bill. Should it be equally distributed? Should it fall most upon those who lockdown was protecting most, the elderly - but of course many elderly are not wealthy and couldn’t afford it, although some are. Should it fall more on those who got to WFH - but why, when many of those would happily have carried on going to work if allowed. Should it fall most on those whose jobs/industries were kept going by furlough - but then those industries are struggling and won’t have the cash to pay extra tax for many years if ever.

Tumbleweed101 · 22/08/2021 11:06

I work in childcare. We stayed open and I worked throughout in a job that is impossible to social distance and avoid being coughed and sneezed on etc. Early on I was very much at risk of catching covid and passing it on to my own family - we were caring for children who had parents who were also working in high risk employment. Later on we were given no priority for testing and vaccines - because children didn't get ill from it... umm, what about the adults working with them??

What I would like to come from this is an appreciation that our service is essential and for the government to offer a realistic amount to cover their 'free' childcare offer to parents. And for parents to appreciate that without this sector they can't work so they have to pay a sensible amount for others to care for and educate their child.

I do think it's crazy if others are refusing to go back to work places now. If they are I'm guessing its because if convenience not health.

For myself, risk aside, I wasn't unhappy to continue working- although at times I was envious of furloughed colleagues getting to chill out in the sun. But I got full pay and they didn't and back at the beginning nobody knew how long it would last. It was a slice of normality in a world that had gone mad.

wherethewildthingis · 22/08/2021 11:07

I haven't read the full thread.
Just wanted to comment-as a public sector manager of very much front line key workers, I've spent the Covid period mainly working from home with some office days. For me personally it has not been plain sailing due to needing to home school my son while in a very demanding role. Whilst I could have had a key worker place, we were asked not to take one as I was physically at home. I think that is fairly normal for keyworkers who are able to work from home. It was very difficult.
In terms of my team-home working had a severe impact. Some were home based other than their essential visits. Others were home based entirely due to shielding or vulnerability. This has not been easy for any of them due to impact on mental health, not being able to escape if there is domestic violence or even any stressful situation at home. No one asked to live through this situation and I think it's a huge over simplification to say some had it easy.
OP this has been difficult for everyone. You do know that people who have been home working are likely to have lost people to covid too, right?

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 11:08

@Mochaberoca

Some people being protected -financially and their health - through being furloughed or WFH doesn’t negate the risks taken by staff who went out to work and supported them being in that position. It just doesn’t.

Of course it does, so you really think if everyone was out and about as usual numbers wouldn't have been substantially higher? Offices many of which with no social distancing as no space, pubs and clubs open, public transport as rammed as ever? Really? Again, be angry, but not at people who didn't make the decisions and followed what they had to do.

No it doesn’t. You’ve just said there were no risks to those people who went out to work. That’s what negate means.
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Gwenhwyfar · 22/08/2021 11:08

Forced working from home is not a privilege believe me. For those of us who live alone, working from home every day is hell. I can go all week without talking to anyone in real life. I'm still not allowed to go back every day because I'm not 'essential' enough.

Also, don't think that everyone in a white caller job is a professional or manager. Plenty of people do routine jobs that can be incredibly boring if there is no opportunity to take a break to chat with colleagues.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 11:09

@Imnothereforthedrama

Yes I’ve been accepted to Cambridge to do a masters so I’ll be off. Shame for the patients though.

Well I’m disappointed op so your a educated intelligent woman but you can’t open your mind that those on furlough or wfh had no option , and actually you did benefit from those staying at home because you didn’t get overwhelmed with patients and thankfully you didn’t get seriously ill from covid . Also you seem angry about anyone catching Covid I mean make you mind up your angry that those stayed at home but you couldn’t, but you seem to blame those staying at Home for passing Covid on which one is it ? .
Your every right to be miffed and change profession but don’t for one minute try and put the blame on the furlough and wfh as they were simply following orders . They tried to make the most of it and sold maybe enjoyed it but hardly a crime is it .?

What are you going on about?
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Howshouldibehave · 22/08/2021 11:09

I don’t resent people who were furloughed or who were told to WFH. I am irritated by those who complain about…

Having to have their camera on during work Zoom meetings as they would have to put make up on and brush their hair.

Wanting to move to an idyllic rural area, keep their London salary but just WFH, but now can’t because their boss wants them back in the office and are livid because it’s not fair.

Having to go back to the office next month because they ‘don’t feel safe’, despite being double vaccinated and it being compulsory for thousands of other people to do so unvaccinated for the last year.

Mochaberoca · 22/08/2021 11:10

No it doesn’t. You’ve just said there were no risks to those people who went out to work. That’s what negate means.

I didn't say there were no risks to people who went out to work Confused. Let's hope your masters degree doesn't involve any sort of reading comprehension.

ivykaty44 · 22/08/2021 11:10

Ive worked in a public facing role sin e last July and only had the first 3 months of lockdown off due to a caring role and went back after the death

ive found all those working from home have been looked after, written about and how badly their mental health maybe and how best to help them - whilst those of us on the front line have been ignored and told business as usual and get on with the job by managers wfh

but ive enjoyed all the managers wfh and its actually meant those of us in public facing roles have been safer as those that stayed home have kept us safer

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 11:11

@wherethewildthingis

I haven't read the full thread. Just wanted to comment-as a public sector manager of very much front line key workers, I've spent the Covid period mainly working from home with some office days. For me personally it has not been plain sailing due to needing to home school my son while in a very demanding role. Whilst I could have had a key worker place, we were asked not to take one as I was physically at home. I think that is fairly normal for keyworkers who are able to work from home. It was very difficult. In terms of my team-home working had a severe impact. Some were home based other than their essential visits. Others were home based entirely due to shielding or vulnerability. This has not been easy for any of them due to impact on mental health, not being able to escape if there is domestic violence or even any stressful situation at home. No one asked to live through this situation and I think it's a huge over simplification to say some had it easy. OP this has been difficult for everyone. You do know that people who have been home working are likely to have lost people to covid too, right?
Oh well that’s ok then. What are you going on about? Being offered the protection of working from home is no way comparable to being sent out to work with or travel with infected people all day.
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anniegun · 22/08/2021 11:12

@Justcurious93

I feel quite angry about it really; lots of talk on the media centred around middle class white collar jobs and people being at home for the last 18 months but the reality is for a lot of us that just hasn't been an option. And the thought that now I'll have to pay for furlough costs for the rest of my working life (probably) makes me feel quite resentful Sad need to try and let it go...
None of us will actually pay for furlough costs though. The government effectively printed that money and it just got added to the national debt. No government in recent history has reduced that debt. The balance of taxes and spending is a political decision about redistributing money and unfortunately the Tories have priorities that dont include most working people
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 22/08/2021 11:12

Onandoff I strongly agree and sympathise with you. In any pandemic frontline workers would be at greatest risk. But much more so during this one, as it has been so mishandled by the government. Refusing a decent pay rise just adds insult to injury. Flowers

Ohshitiveturnedintomymother · 22/08/2021 11:13

@Howshouldibehave

I don’t resent people who were furloughed or who were told to WFH. I am irritated by those who complain about…

Having to have their camera on during work Zoom meetings as they would have to put make up on and brush their hair.

Wanting to move to an idyllic rural area, keep their London salary but just WFH, but now can’t because their boss wants them back in the office and are livid because it’s not fair.

Having to go back to the office next month because they ‘don’t feel safe’, despite being double vaccinated and it being compulsory for thousands of other people to do so unvaccinated for the last year.

This 1000 times over. No one is complaining that people got to work from home. People resent the complaints now about having to go back to normal.
Gwenhwyfar · 22/08/2021 11:13

"The government should absolutely have protected those workers who couldn't work from home rather than using them as collateral damage. "

It did. Those whose jobs weren't essential were furloughed. You can't stop care or food provision so some sectors have to go on.
Other countries did the same (and I'm no fan on the UK govt).