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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

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Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

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CBUK22 · 23/08/2021 10:10

My wife is a public servant, we socialise with quite a few of them accordingly. I'm self employed and worked every day through the pandemic.

I've found the view of the public servants is very different to other people who've lost a lot of money and had businesses destroyed due to this pandemic.

It's quite hard to take a lot of them seriously when they start talking about how awful it is to return to an office.

I was very disappointed to see a total lack of traditional stiff upper lip and pulling together where people seemed to be solely focused on themselves.

The bizarre hero worship of "key workers" and the NHS was fairly vomit inducing too.

GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr · 23/08/2021 10:11

@Whammyyammy

**I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took.

You did, by being paid.

It's not a popular opinion, but I agree.

I have so much admiration for the NHS and I absolutely believe that rather than compensation for working during a pandemic, many of its staff (particularly those on a insultingly low salaries for the work they do) should be paid a lot more in the first place.

But I genuinely don't understand those like the poster upthread who are flabbergasted that they've had to deal with a pandemic. Surely you understand that if you work in the NHS, there's a possibility that you'll encounter a public health crisis during your career? It's a bit like joining the army and being astounded that you may have to fight in a war.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2021 10:12

I think we are obsessed with social class in the UK and there are not may people working in care on MN, but nearly everyone on here has children and there are a lot of teachers, too, because a lot of teachers are female. People had stopped talking about schools, so maybe best not to bring it up again?

I am very concerned about the way many employers and industries are treating staff and/ or how the government is ignoring /gaslighting many sectors.

GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr · 23/08/2021 10:13

Oh and it's a disgrace that the government didn't adequately provide for/ensure the safety of NHS staff with regards to PPE etc. That's an actual scandal, as opposed to their bleating about supporting your local Pret.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2021 10:14

As someone pointed out upthread, people working for the government were given , in some offices (trying not to say DfE again) £1000 bonuses for extra work. Which feels like a slap in the face,especially when you hear of some keyworkers, entitled to overtime, and then being refused it, because they are just expected to 'do their bit'.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2021 10:15

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr

Oh and it's a disgrace that the government didn't adequately provide for/ensure the safety of NHS staff with regards to PPE etc. That's an actual scandal, as opposed to their bleating about supporting your local Pret.
God, yeah. Let's hope that comes up in the enquiry!
CBUK22 · 23/08/2021 10:17

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr - Initially this was true, however it was resolved relatively quickly. However the NHS as an organisation has continued to fail a vast number of patients throughout the pandemic.

countrytown · 23/08/2021 10:20

Oh and it's a disgrace that the government didn't adequately provide for/ensure the safety of NHS staff with regards to PPE etc. That's an actual scandal, as opposed to their bleating about supporting your local Pret.

yep

Glasstabletop · 23/08/2021 10:20

I think the demographics of Mumsnet are very apparent in this thread. The idea that only NHS staff were expected to work is so wrong headed.

Warehouse staff, factory workers, shop workers the list goes on.

There was no lockdown, there was just poor people bringing things to wealthy people.

BigWoollyJumpers · 23/08/2021 10:21

@GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr

Oh and it's a disgrace that the government didn't adequately provide for/ensure the safety of NHS staff with regards to PPE etc. That's an actual scandal, as opposed to their bleating about supporting your local Pret.
Yes. But again, don't forget, the original PPE spec was based on the WHO advice current at that time, that Covid was not an aerosol infection, nor spread asymptomatically. We have come a long way.
CBUK22 · 23/08/2021 10:23

@Glasstabletop - I'm kind of baffled by most of the lockdown. Shops were forced to shut that were pretty empty even in normal times. They then handed over billions of pounds for people who didn't need to be to sit at home.

NeverTalkToStrangers · 23/08/2021 10:24

Yes very little talk about the risks to the essential workers in meat processing plants on MN.

Piggywaspushed · 23/08/2021 10:28

Actually, the data thread talks about that quite a lot.

GoldFrankensteinAndGrrr · 23/08/2021 10:32

There was no lockdown, there was just poor people bringing things to wealthy people

Exactly. But the (non CV) pious posters who polish their haloes while recounting how they've not left the house for a year and half and had everything delivered simply won't have it. Some even claim that in doing so they're protecting key workers by staying home.

They're quite happy to pass on their perceived threat to their own health to those in often low paid, precarious work, however.

ssd · 23/08/2021 10:35

I worked in retail and supermarket throughout
And always on public transport

I feel like cannon fodder

FrippEnos · 23/08/2021 10:47

Mickarooni
This thread being taken over by discussion on teaching is an example of privilege.

Could you explain you think this is a "privilege"?

NeverTalkToStrangers · 23/08/2021 10:50

@Piggywaspushed

Actually, the data thread talks about that quite a lot.
Oh yes, the data thread, bless it, is normally driven by the objective risk areas except when it gets derailed.
Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 23/08/2021 11:08

I don't think anyone in the NHS was flabbergasted by the fact there was a health crisis.
That doesn't take away the fear we all felt at the beginning. When everyone else was staying at home (which I agreed with and was thankful for) we were instead walking into the hospitals with no real idea of how it was spread without adequate PPE.
Health crisis I'm prepared for.
Being sent in without protection and being a sacrificial lamb I wasn't.

Streamingbannersofdawn · 23/08/2021 11:09

I was a 'key worker' my DH worked from home. I have never thought of myself as "Cannon Fodder" particularly although at the peak of the waves I'll admit to being scared.

I do think that Covid exposed some of my relationships though and definitely made me re-assess some people. One couple in particular, one WFH the other was a SAHM and home schooled, barely left the house months, everything delivered. Great. But on a Zoom call with myself and other friends two of us key workers and one a carer, went on about how fab it was to have family time and a slower pace of life. Talk about being unable to read a room.

They were also highly vocal about "Staying safe and staying home". With no clue whatsoever that staying home was never an option for some of us and that their staying home was facilitated by teachers, delivery drivers, store and warehouse workers who couldn't.

The lack of awareness was what got to me.

Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 23/08/2021 11:09

And I agree with pp about other essential workers.
Manufacturing/retail/care/postal who despite having to still go out to work and not have the advantage of staying at home, get very little mention.

Peacrock · 23/08/2021 11:11

@Carrotcakeforbreakfast

I don't think anyone in the NHS was flabbergasted by the fact there was a health crisis. That doesn't take away the fear we all felt at the beginning. When everyone else was staying at home (which I agreed with and was thankful for) we were instead walking into the hospitals with no real idea of how it was spread without adequate PPE. Health crisis I'm prepared for. Being sent in without protection and being a sacrificial lamb I wasn't.
Yeah, I think as well due to the nature of the virus it was hugely challenging having to manage no visitors, trying to facilitate saying by to relatives etc over the phone; the emotional toll of which was huge on top of the physical demands.
Carrotcakeforbreakfast · 23/08/2021 11:14

One of the first covid patients I scanned.
As a radiographer i wasn't seen as frontline (at the beginning) and we had been given no ppe at all.
I had to go to and beg A&E for some.
I was given a flimsy surgical mask while the staff with the patient were fully donned. Respirator hoods etc.
Using suction on the patient as they lay on the CT scanner while I was connecting them to the injector inches from my face.

The beginning was a shambles.

Maverickess · 23/08/2021 11:32

The thing is, healthcare workers continued to be exposed rather than isolating as a close contact when in contact with a positive case because those people still needed someone to care for them in whatever capacity they needed.
Watching someone be very ill with a new virus, when nothing is really known about it or how it spreads, as it was in the beginning, is frightening for anyone, no matter what training or expectations they have. That you, or your family could be next and have limited information on how to prevent that is frightening. Fear is a human emotion that everyone has felt over this to some degree, if not about the virus itself then about the social and economic effects.
I think it's the total lack of understanding about that from some quarters that's causing much of the resentment, that somehow we're not fit to do the job if we're worried about it, that we should be in a different one if we did worry about it and talk about that because it should have been expected, and we should just have been grateful to still have a job.
I don't necessarily think that financial reward is appropriate given the state of the economy, some will disagree, but acknowledgement of it would probably go a long way to easing the resentment building.

MiddleParking · 23/08/2021 11:50

Some even claim that in doing so they're protecting key workers by staying home.

To be fair, that is a part of the premise. I’m not saying it’s not deeply irritating, but it’s not a false claim.

FrippEnos · 23/08/2021 11:53

Maverickess

I don't necessarily think that financial reward is appropriate given the state of the economy, some will disagree, but acknowledgement of it would probably go a long way to easing the resentment building.

The NHS has had to fight for a pay rise this year (ish) teachers, police etc. have all had a pay freeze.

The DfE got paid a bonus of £1000 for doing their job badly Its the one rule for us and another rule for them that pisses people off.

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