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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

884 replies

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

OP posts:
RampantIvy · 22/08/2021 22:50

shewalkslikerihanna is this extended family or do you have 10 children?

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 22:55

It’s across 3 households
I’m the oldest and the youngest grandchild is 11

speckledostrichegg · 22/08/2021 22:58

@shewalkslikerihanna

None of our 12 family have been jabbed and none have had covid either

My son is now studying at uni and works a lot with surgeons
Many of whom aren’t jabbed either

Just to add to this as we're sharing anecdata Grin

I don't know a single clinician at work (or out of) who hasn't been vaccinated

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:00

Good for them
Everyone has a choice

mrsnoodle55 · 22/08/2021 23:08

I imagine hospitals around the country are dealing with very different pressures then. In mine I don’t know of any staff unvaccinated (and it’s an open subject). ICU has an average age of covid patients of 27. Vast majority unvaccinated. Lots of different experiences; my daughter had it, barely a sniffle. 2 previously fit husband and wife friends of mine caught it (pre vaccination roll out) and died. I see my friends, family, am not obsessed….. but life would be a lot easier if those who can would just get jabbed. Most people I know are feeling burnt out and sick of it.

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:14

I’m sorry to hear that Mrs noodle
But until they produce a jab that has a 100 per cent guarantee that no one will get any nasty side effects then at the moment it’s not for me

I have enough health problems going on in my life , that even a sore arm and feeling a bit fluey ( I’ve never had the flu) would be extremely difficult for me to cope with

But I’m glad we live in a country where we at the moment still have a free choice

noblegiraffe · 22/08/2021 23:17

Oh god, is the ‘Gav’ stuff absolutely necessary? It’s painful.

You object to Gavin Williamson being referred to as Gav? Are you his mum?

Of course I haven’t read any documents or guidelines on classroom Covid security; why should I have?

I don't know, maybe because you seem awfully keen to defend them?

Which is why I laughed at the notion that DfE policy officials should feel ashamed for writing that specific piece of guidance that had riled you

As I said, quite few times now, there is a difference in ethical boundaries between us and we are not going to agree. You may think it's absurd, I do not.

I do think you’re wrong to make them against other public sector worker

I haven't made generalisations about other public sector workers, I have specifically identified the DfE civil servants in charge of schools covid policy and have given examples of how they are doing a bad job.

You have claimed that the contents are never anything to do with civil servant, they are blameless, everything in any government policy is entirely down to the minister to the last detail, while also claiming that civil servants can and do have a big impact on policy. If you don't understand that you can't have it both ways, then we have to leave it there.

Maverickess · 22/08/2021 23:20

@popcornfrenzy

Your job and undertakers are seriously undervalued imo, I see a lot in my job in care and they're another sector that's been left to hang from what I've seen, at the mercy of their private employers.
I just want to say you are appreciated by people like me who rely on your services in our professional capacity.

speckledostrichegg · 22/08/2021 23:20

@shewalkslikerihanna

Good for them Everyone has a choice
Yup of course.

I replied because your post "i know someone who knows lots of surgeons who don't want to be vaccinated", implies that people who are highly educated in a relevant area are turning down the vaccine.

Which would obviously make a lot of posters understandably a bit worried and concerned.

RampantIvy · 22/08/2021 23:25

But until they produce a jab that has a 100 per cent guarantee that no one will get any nasty side effects then at the moment it’s not for me

No vaccine of any kind or any medication offers that kind of guarantee.

speckledostrichegg · 22/08/2021 23:28

@shewalkslikerihanna

I’m sorry to hear that Mrs noodle But until they produce a jab that has a 100 per cent guarantee that no one will get any nasty side effects then at the moment it’s not for me

I have enough health problems going on in my life , that even a sore arm and feeling a bit fluey ( I’ve never had the flu) would be extremely difficult for me to cope with

But I’m glad we live in a country where we at the moment still have a free choice

There is no vaccine or drug in existence that guarantees this though. Of course if the trade off isn't worth it for you that's fair enough, but there will never be an option where there's an 100% guarantee.

Vaccines work by stimulating the immune response so in general you're going to feel the effects of that.

HotPinkTeaSet · 22/08/2021 23:30

Can anyone tell me a vaccine or medication in the world that has a 100% guarantee of no side effects?

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:32

Which would obviously make a lot of posters understandably a bit worried and concerned.

It’s why we need to make an educated choice.

It’s not for everyone and why should it fall on family to look after me if I become seriously ill.

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:33

Whoops sorry for the delay in getting back
Bit of a lag on the signal here

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:34

I agree there isn’t
Which is why I don’t take any

speckledostrichegg · 22/08/2021 23:35

@HotPinkTeaSet

Can anyone tell me a vaccine or medication in the world that has a 100% guarantee of no side effects?
homeopathic?

Unless you tell them it might cause some itching and leg cramps :)

toytoy · 22/08/2021 23:37

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

Lots of middle class workers were key workers though?

Although I take the point & often commented on MN threads that a lot of people who advocating staying in forever by default needed to rely on others not doing that.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 22/08/2021 23:38

@KatherineJaneway

You're clearly very bitter. In the kindest way possible, that won't be a helpful emotion in the long run.

We all had a rough ride over lockdown. As a pp said, same storm, different boats. Different journeys but not necessarily easier ones, even if they seem so.

I don’t agree. Bitterness and anger are two very valid and potentially helpful emotions after this last year (especially when the alternative is bottling things in) and both emotions often lead to change - and I think this thread has shown that a lot of us who worked away from home are going to expect things to change. Any goodwill has gone.

I think docility and acceptance are much more worrying to see after the year we’ve endured, but I guess it is is many people’s best interest to encourage these as ‘positive’ reactions so they can stay safely at home in any further lockdowns or pandemic.

toytoy · 22/08/2021 23:38

At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

I disagree with this & think the furlough scheme was a good thing. Find it odd how they are the new benefit scroungers to some.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 22/08/2021 23:40

[quote Maverickess]@popcornfrenzy

Your job and undertakers are seriously undervalued imo, I see a lot in my job in care and they're another sector that's been left to hang from what I've seen, at the mercy of their private employers.
I just want to say you are appreciated by people like me who rely on your services in our professional capacity.[/quote]
Agreed! You’ve done very difficult job with no recognition. Thank you.

toytoy · 22/08/2021 23:42

I know teachers, medics, police who all worked from home so I don't think the division is a clear as you say.

shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:43

Homeopathy?
100 per cent 👍
That and herbs and decent supplements
Colloidal silver

Finally feel free tonight of a really awful kidney infection and sore throat
That’s dogged me all week but I’ve thrown everything at it and all good 👍

MiddleParking · 22/08/2021 23:43

@noblegiraffe

Oh god, is the ‘Gav’ stuff absolutely necessary? It’s painful.

You object to Gavin Williamson being referred to as Gav? Are you his mum?

Of course I haven’t read any documents or guidelines on classroom Covid security; why should I have?

I don't know, maybe because you seem awfully keen to defend them?

Which is why I laughed at the notion that DfE policy officials should feel ashamed for writing that specific piece of guidance that had riled you

As I said, quite few times now, there is a difference in ethical boundaries between us and we are not going to agree. You may think it's absurd, I do not.

I do think you’re wrong to make them against other public sector worker

I haven't made generalisations about other public sector workers, I have specifically identified the DfE civil servants in charge of schools covid policy and have given examples of how they are doing a bad job.

You have claimed that the contents are never anything to do with civil servant, they are blameless, everything in any government policy is entirely down to the minister to the last detail, while also claiming that civil servants can and do have a big impact on policy. If you don't understand that you can't have it both ways, then we have to leave it there.

Yes, I’m his mum, jolly well done. I haven’t defended that guidance at any point, perhaps you’re confusing me with someone else?! I note you continue to be very selective in which of my points you address, which I’m guessing is because you’re actually rather aware you’ve taken a very silly ball and run right off the pitch with it. And I suspect you know that I have never laid claim to the statements you describe, which is why you feel the need to exaggerate and misrepresent what I’ve said. More than happy to leave it there as you suggest, we’re clearly not going to reach a satisfactory conclusion.
shewalkslikerihanna · 22/08/2021 23:47

Or maybe it’s been the pine needle tea of which I’ve had several cups of over the last few days

And allegedly is supposed to be beneficial for that thingy that’s going around.. whatever it’s name is 😁

Whatever it was something worked 👍

JoeMaplin · 22/08/2021 23:49

OP but you have your lovely pin badge to treasure forever! I work in adult social care so have a similar 'care' one to complement my low pay, which came with an uplifting email from our chief exec. We also had a video message from.prince William!!