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Those of us who were ‘cannon fodder’- how do you feel?

884 replies

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 09:09

I went to a gathering the other day with people who were privileged enough to still be working from home in highly paid city jobs. Their experiences were a stark contrast with mine. It was interesting to hear how protected they’d been, many still getting shopping delivered and only just resuming socialising. They hadn’t been on public transport at all. There was a general air of resentment at being asked to go back to offices and commute. They’d all saved money and were very worried about covid exposure despite being vaccinated. Apparently many workers have completely refused to return.

DH and I were the only key workers there and it brought home how exposed we’d been. Literally all of our family and colleagues caught it and some died or were left disabled. My mum died. In the hospital where I work 80% caught it in the first wave alone.

It’s been interesting to see through this that the jobs essential to society are (generally, appreciate some exceptions like medics) the worst paid. If we’d refused to go in or been redeployed we’d have been sacked. While the privileged middle class are still being pandered to despite vaccination.

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

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MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 11:25

a relative is buying a house hundreds of miles from her office, it would be catastrophic if her office changed their mind about her wfm

Gwenhwyfar · 22/08/2021 11:25

"so many firms have lost out
taxi companies"

A taxi driver told me the other day they did fine. In lockdown they drove key workers who would otherwise have taken public transport and there were still essential journeys or journeys that people claimed were essential (the council told them they were not responsible for checking this).

MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 11:26

if you work for NHS op you should have Wellbeing information, Oc health support - please take it up

TheKeatingFive · 22/08/2021 11:26

a relative is buying a house hundreds of miles from her office, it would be catastrophic if her office changed their mind about her wfm

More fool her if she hasn’t an updated contract specifying permanent wfh in her hand.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 11:26

the taxi company that usually do airport runs, their business has been hugely affected, as have of course air line workers

MrsLargeEmbodied · 22/08/2021 11:27

@TheKeatingFive
thanks for your compassion

Abhannmor · 22/08/2021 11:29

If you were not furloughed I don't see why you should pay some proposed ' furlough tax' ?

Whinge · 22/08/2021 11:29

@MrsLargeEmbodied

a relative is buying a house hundreds of miles from her office, it would be catastrophic if her office changed their mind about her wfm
If her job is office based then she would be foolish to make such a life changing decision without an official change of contract. If she wants a WFH job then she needs to find one which is permanently WFH, not just temporarily WFH due to the pandemic.
Welshiefluff · 22/08/2021 11:30

Firstly thank you very much for your services society.

However working in a hospital you must accept that if there is a pandemic that you will have to continue working. I know it puts you at risk but it sort of comes with the job. You did a job and got paid for it.

Knittingupastorm · 22/08/2021 11:30

Be careful what you wish for because if everyone in these jobs who feels the same walks then who's going to keep the show on the road? People willing to give up their wfh or office jobs to retrain, get into debt and face that then? Or do it for minimum wage?
Or is it ok to expect others to do it, as long as you don't actually have to be involved and as long as the services you want and need are still available to you at someone else's expense?

Which is it? Am I wrong to wish for them to leave and get new jobs, or wrong to wish for them to stay in conditions I wouldn’t work in?

I don’t wish for anyone in the NHS to quit their jobs, I’d like them to be fairly paid and have decent conditions. But while they don’t, I also can’t tell them they should stay working there, just so I can feel better that the NHS is better staffed for me if I need it. I didn’t vote for this shit show of a government and would always support increased taxes to pay for the NHS. I’ve told my MP this but he’s a cabinet minister in a very safe tory seat, so he doesn’t much care. I can’t force them to take extra money from my pay and spend it on the NHS, but I’d be very happy for them to do so.

OpheliasCrayon · 22/08/2021 11:30

I feel like I went to work and did my job. "risk" didn't bother me, I was glad to be there for the people I work with.

TheKeatingFive · 22/08/2021 11:30

thanks for your compassion

Whether your relative realises it or not, someone reminding her to cover her bases with a contract is the most compassionate thing anyone could do.

People are being incredibly naive about the wfh situation.

Onandoff · 22/08/2021 11:31

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Howshouldibehave · 22/08/2021 11:31

Are they older than you then? It was decided that it was more important to protect older people first and the vaccinations were done according to age, with some health boards being in advance of others

Not my OP you were replying to, but thepeople I know who were vaccinated before me were my age or younger. They were NHS staff, but had been redeployed immediately to work solely from home at the start of the pandemic.

Those who were having to work outside the home should have been prioritised for a vaccine-I feel very let down that they weren’t.

Mochaberoca · 22/08/2021 11:31

By the way I don't think it's unreasonable for anyone to feel angry, what I feel annoyed about is that instead of lying the blame with the government, some people lay into others because they were on furlough etc which takes the gov further away from being accountable.

Tal45 · 22/08/2021 11:31

I understand that you're angry that you weren't properly protected or financially compensated but I think you're taking it out on the wrong people. Those things are down to the government, why not take your anger out on them.

A lot of people have found that their job can be done perfectly well from home due to being forced to work from home for a considerable amount of time, my OH found this and has negotiated to be able to continue to work from home meaning he no longer has the 3 hour round trip car commute that he'd done for the previous 18 years. I think people were silly if they moved away without ensuring they would be able to continue working from home after lockdown and I don't have much sympathy for them but I think your anger at them is misplaced. I also don't think you can blame people for not feeling safe when the government (them again) have banged home that very message over and over for the last 18 months and rates are pretty high and the Delta variant is hospitalising even the double vaxxed.

bentleydrummle · 22/08/2021 11:32

I don't really feel like you OP. I'm a teacher. A lot of my wfh friends have the fear of god put into them, they have developed all kinds of MH issues, panic attacks, agoraphobia. I think those of it who had had to get on with it are the lucky ones in some ways.

NeverTalkToStrangers · 22/08/2021 11:32

@Tryingtryingandtrying

Yes, the main way people reduced their risk was by passing it onto someone else.
That’s not true in most cases. I reduced my risk by not commuting into a full office on a crowded tube twice a day, not going out to the pub or theatre, not catching the tube into Oxford Street to go shopping, having medical consultations by telephone rather than in person, (or masked where personal consultations were unavoidable), and keeping my distance when food shopping. None of those imposed any additional risk on anyone else - au contraire.

Yes the OOH employees were still exposed to Covid risk (unavoidably or not depending on circumstances) but they weren’t put at additional risk because I was staying at home and social distancing.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 22/08/2021 11:32

@Knittingupastorm

Be careful what you wish for because if everyone in these jobs who feels the same walks then who's going to keep the show on the road? People willing to give up their wfh or office jobs to retrain, get into debt and face that then? Or do it for minimum wage? Or is it ok to expect others to do it, as long as you don't actually have to be involved and as long as the services you want and need are still available to you at someone else's expense?

Which is it? Am I wrong to wish for them to leave and get new jobs, or wrong to wish for them to stay in conditions I wouldn’t work in?

I don’t wish for anyone in the NHS to quit their jobs, I’d like them to be fairly paid and have decent conditions. But while they don’t, I also can’t tell them they should stay working there, just so I can feel better that the NHS is better staffed for me if I need it. I didn’t vote for this shit show of a government and would always support increased taxes to pay for the NHS. I’ve told my MP this but he’s a cabinet minister in a very safe tory seat, so he doesn’t much care. I can’t force them to take extra money from my pay and spend it on the NHS, but I’d be very happy for them to do so.

We shouldn't need extra taxes to spend on the NHS if our current taxes were spent properly, so I would resent paying more taxes.
OpheliasCrayon · 22/08/2021 11:33

I also never considered myself as anything as ridiculous as cannon fodder. I take risks every day to do my job, it's part of my job. Covid or other things. I definitely would never consider that I need more money for working during covid.

I think people in such jobs, including myself, need paying more .... But that's in general not due to covid. We needed more money a long time before this, but that's just not something the gvmt deem us worthy of having.

Lockdownbear · 22/08/2021 11:34

Let's also not forget that furlough money wasn't just 80% it had a max of £2500 per month.
Which means some people would have been thoroughly screwed if they'd based their outgoings on a salary of much more than that. OK they'll have saved on some costs but it would still have been a body blow to finances.
And with industries closed down no opportunity to get alternative work either.

SupermanWithTheGreyHair · 22/08/2021 11:35

If you’ve gone into your place of work all through this time, I can see how it would be annoying to hear people who have worked at home moaning about having to go back now. My partner wouldn’t really want to have to go back to the office, not because of covid risk but because he just prefers working at home. I know some people who would have preferred to go to their place of work throughout though.

I don’t really understand the financial compensation though, unless your costs increased to get to work or you lost money due to not being able to work due to having covid.

Mantlemoose · 22/08/2021 11:35

I went out to work, in an office because I couldn't work from home because my DP lost his job and was at home all day. Am I entitled to this tax break also - probably not because I wasn't working in a hospital I guess.

I've also had an operation during lockdown, in a literally empty ward with nurses standing about doing nothing! In an 8 bed ward there were 4 beds occupied, all of us seeing different surgeons. I had 2 anesthesiologists they were so overstaffed! To my mind you chose the caring profession and quite obviously put yourself at risk of catching some sort of infection. Shop workers/bus drivers are the only ones that should be rewarded.

Leavesofautumn · 22/08/2021 11:35

@HungryHippo11

I feel that those who went out to work should be financially compensated for the risk we took. At the very least we should be given tax breaks and not be expected to cough up for furlough costs.

Thats not how life works in a democratic society. I don't really want to "cough up" for universal credit which I don't claim. My friend without kids doesn't want to "cough up" for school costs for other people's kids. Someone with private health insurance still has to "cough up" to fund an NHS which they don't use.

@HungryHippo11 Just for the record, most people with private health insurance still use the NHS too. I see an NHS GP, I have smear tests, blood tests, sexual health advice, walk-in clinics when I've had UTIs, A&E for a few emergencies, and all sorts of other things. I've only ever seen private doctors if they're consultants for something higher level that I really need help with. Even people who've been to a private GP (which I've never done) only tend to do it as a one-off or occasional thing. It would be very, very rare for anyone to exclusively go to private doctors and never use the NHS. I think you would literally need to be one of the 1% to never use the NHS.
FflosFfantastig · 22/08/2021 11:35

It was a scary time, people were scared to the point they were bleaching shopping and all this time many people just had to show up in work as usual providing services for those that didn't have to. It's not a criticism of those whose jobs didn't require it, but I actually do think there should be some recognition for people day in day out continuing the same public facing working routines because it was scary as hell actually. Nobody really knew what we were dealing with at that point or how things were going to go. Still a lot of unknowns even now, but back then...