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Scotland wants to make covid powers permanent

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PopcornMuncher · 17/08/2021 21:36

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/17/scottish-government-wants-make-emergency-covid-powers-permanent/?WT.mc_id=tmgliveapp_iosshare_Axnk434vZ14W

Would anyone actually support this or has Nicola Sturgeon lost the plot?

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visitingagain · 20/08/2021 18:18

Yes @Snookie00 I'm paid to express a different point of view on a forum. Of course.
If everyone on here just came on to agree with each other what a boring place it would be. Biscuit

QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 18:23

Not an SNP “faithful” as someone else has reverted to up thread. Quite the opposite in fact.

However, I have. I significant issue with it. That said, I do not believe that the powers given with the current legislation have been misused and feel comfortable with how they have been used.

But then I am not a faithful conspiracy theorist either.

What are you worried they will do?

Lock us down and close the pubs when we are Covid free?

I’ve never been a supporter of the SNP and have always had strong a British / European identity despite being Scottish but I agree these threads are tiresome because they turn into an SNP / Sturgeon hunt rather than a critical discussion of the policy.

QueenHofScotland · 20/08/2021 18:23

Ah crap so many typos that it doesn’t make sense.

I don’t have a significant issue with it.

Mantlemoose · 20/08/2021 18:26

Honestly, if ever there was a reason to fight for your freedom in Scotland this is it now. Absolutely frightening.

visitingagain · 20/08/2021 18:33

Thank you @QueenHofScotland I don't agree fully with all aspects of the proposals especially all the court stuff but thats because my experience of the court system is that it's absolutely archaic!! I think there are advantages to keeping initial court hearings virtual where this is practical - for instance if travel is prohibitive or it's a minor offence. It might also prove advantageous in cases such as rape or sexual assault where time is of the essence. But I'm not a legal expert so can't claim to know.
The important thing for everyone who is getting worked up about Liberty on here is that this is not a blanket extension to powers it's purely a consultation so if it worries you, go and fill it in but for goodness sake read the paper. As I have said before these proposals will be brought up again in parliament ( which will waste time) if they don't go through as an extension to powers but surely the whole point of consultation is that people get a say?
Are we just going say that every good idea during the pandemic that saved time and admin and paperwork and actually made things a wee bit better is just going to be ditched because SNP ? Or are we more mature than that ? Public health have always been able to close local authority schools .. are we saying now that children private schools don't deserve parity? Wait till people find out about the powers of the Care Inspectors!!!

visitingagain · 20/08/2021 18:34

Yes typos here too @QueenHofScotland

LizzieMacQueen · 20/08/2021 19:05

SNP don't have a good track record on listening to prior consultations.

PopcornMuncher · 20/08/2021 19:19

It's not an anti SNP thread. It's an anti-restrictions thread. I would have started the same thread if Boris had proposed this.

So sorry you find it boring. I didn't realise we were obliged to stick to subjects you find interesting. Note to self: Must do better next time Wink

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ResilienceWanker · 20/08/2021 19:32

The trouble is that the permanent powers wouldn't just be for covid. That is a key point the consultation makes. The SG at the moment rely on the UK covid act for various things, and while that can be extended for as long as covid is an issue, once it isn't needed, the provisions in it won't apply.

So (as far as I can tell... It's hardly the most clearly written document/ consultation paper) they want to take the provisions in the UK act (and the various Scottish legislation deriving from that where the issues are devolved - like education, public health etc) and develop new Scottish legislation to be able to use those powers even if covid isn't the reason. Some would be only "triggered" by a pandemic/ public health issue, and others are just generally "nice things" that covid has let us do like public meetings on Zoom, that weren't allowed in the existing legislation.

I imagine there will be more issues with some proposals than others! The limitation on evictions, for example, of course is very nice, and appropriate for when people had lost their income and therefore feared for their home. There are of course already safeguards in place so it is very hard for a landlord to evict a tenant - which I don't pretend to understand the details of - but there surely has to be a limit to that! Otherwise people could get a tenancy with no intention of paying rent, with the landlord having no recourse to get their property back. Who would rent out their property on that basis?! So any permanent power can't be a block ban on evictions, but could maybe take into account the tenant having a temporary loss or drop of income, and give a bit of legal protection in that case? In any case, it would need to be worked through by experts and stakeholders, and I don't think rushing it through by keeping the existing temporary power just because we have it, is the right way to go about it.

On the closure of schools - I'm not convinced by the explanation that unis, private schools, nurseries etc weren't covered pre covid, so they need more powers to be able to close them. Even if they weren't "schools" as such, they were definitely covered by restrictions placed on businesses, so in practice (and as accepted in the consultation), these places did close - whether or not as a result of the Covid legislation specifically (the document seems to say that the SG didn't have to "trigger" the UK act in practice but the non state sector closed voluntarily, presumably as they thought it necessary - though as I say, the consultation doc doesn't make easy reading... Paras 21/ 22 if anyone else can decipher it! ) . I don't see why the same wouldn't apply to other diseases/ infections. If PHS told a uni or private school there was an outbreak of legionnaires or something, and they had to do x, y and z, including close to students, they wouldn't be exempt from that just because they weren't state schools. I may be misunderstanding the proposals, but using the nature of the education as a reason, really seems a red herring.

TheGenealogist · 20/08/2021 19:50

Purely a consultation my backside.

Consultations in Scotland are purely a box ticking exercise. They will push ahead and do what the hell they want anyway. If the consultation doesn't go the way they were expecting, like the Hate Crime one, they just refuse to publish the results.

Clearly a klaxon has gone off in Bute House warning Queen Nic that she's getting pelters on MN so the faithful are flocking in to defend their dear Leader.

visitingagain · 20/08/2021 20:03

Oh @TheGenealogist some great mature thinking in your post here, were you out at Edinburgh Castle the other night ?

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