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Schools contingency framework released

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noblegiraffe · 17/08/2021 18:33

The contingency framework guidelines for childcare settings, schools, colleges and universities has been released.

Not much to see except that schools should seek public health advice if:

For most education and childcare settings, whichever of these thresholds is reached first:
• 5 children, pupils, students or staff, who are likely to have mixed closely, test positive for COVID-19 within a 10-day period; or
• 10% of children, pupils, students or staff who are likely to have mixed closely test positive for COVID-19 within a 10-day period

Additional measures might be onsite testing or reintroducing masks but is much more likely to be simply:

At the point of reaching a threshold, education and childcare settings should review and reinforce the testing, hygiene and ventilation measures they already have in place. Settings should also consider:
• whether any activities could take place outdoors, including exercise, assemblies, or classes
• ways to improve ventilation indoors, where this would not significantly impact thermal comfort
• one-off enhanced cleaning focussing on touch points and any shared equipment

Interestingly, 'mixing closely' includes students who have shared a classroom, not just those who sat within 2m of a positive case.

No reassurance for CEV pupils.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1011704/20210817_Contingency_Framework_FINAL.pdf

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Piggywaspushed · 18/08/2021 20:22

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beentoldcomputersaysno · 18/08/2021 20:55

I can't understand why there is not more of an outcry about this. We are literally just going to sit back and let covid run through schools? It is sinister. How is this OK?

noblegiraffe · 18/08/2021 20:55

@TheHoneyBadger

I thought they still at least had to do lft daily. Ffs.
Yeah, sorry to burst that bubble.

From the framework it’s looking like the govt aren’t expecting covid to spread in schools which is bizarre given 18 months of experience.

I note we also have to provide remote education for kids who are off with covid. Let’s hope that doesn’t become a massive workload.

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noblegiraffe · 18/08/2021 21:02

@beentoldcomputersaysno

I can't understand why there is not more of an outcry about this. We are literally just going to sit back and let covid run through schools? It is sinister. How is this OK?
I don’t know if they haven’t quite realised yet?

We had parents removing kids from school when cases were high as it was too risky so there are definitely parents out there who don’t want their kid to catch covid.

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beentoldcomputersaysno · 18/08/2021 21:13

I keep hearing so much of we have to move on etc etc. I agree. Why can't we move on without deliberately infecting everyone though? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I think it's absolutely criminal to do what we are doing. Ventilation in schools is obvious. Reducing the viral load is obvious. I think people are aware, but just don't care and that really frightens me. I've heard that covid is just marked down as illness now too - is that true? What positive reason would there be to hide that data? It's all so sinister.

TheSunIsStillShining · 18/08/2021 22:20

posted by @JanglyBeads on the data thread

"UNISON have sent some very pertinent questions to Gavin Williamson asking how contact tracing is going to work in schools from September, has this been risk assessed, etc:

www.unison.org.uk/content/uploads/2021/08/UNISON-letter-to-Secretary-of-State-18-August-2021.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3hzmu4VUvHv_iQNajlpfmXlpAdLICh3OUx4s0X-gDbI-fE8-DlwbxhmRE"

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 18/08/2021 23:04

At this point the unions need to step in and make it clear that teachers teach the children in class OR those at home. They are two separate jobs and need to be staffed as such. If the disaster scenario is over and we are back to normal, the government will need to provide more funding and not rely on good will.

twinkletoesimnot · 18/08/2021 23:07

@BustopherPonsonbyJones
Too true.... most of us ran out of good will a long time ago!

sherrystrull · 18/08/2021 23:09

@BustopherPonsonbyJones

At this point the unions need to step in and make it clear that teachers teach the children in class OR those at home. They are two separate jobs and need to be staffed as such. If the disaster scenario is over and we are back to normal, the government will need to provide more funding and not rely on good will.
Totally agree. Reading the guidance today and I was filled with fear. I just feel like we're being asked to do so much at once.
noblegiraffe · 18/08/2021 23:17

Yes, asking us to provide a remote education for children who are off with covid who may or may not be well enough to access it is going to be a lot of work.

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sherrystrull · 18/08/2021 23:26

Everything we plan is going to be needed to be adapted and resources for anyone at home at a moments notice. It will push teachers towards using minimal resources and worksheets.

noblegiraffe · 18/08/2021 23:32

For isolating students we were having them log in from home and teaching the lesson to the kids in school and at home at the same time. It was not a great educational experience for either group and unsustainable, tbh.

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noblegiraffe · 18/08/2021 23:42

The Telegraph has got the front page headline 'Schools told to hold outdoor classes if five pupils have Covid'

So they aren't impressed. But obviously it wouldn't happen anyway, with 'thermal comfort' considerations when you're even thinking about opening a window let alone going outside.

They have interpreted the 10% as being 10% of the population of the school and I guess they have a hotline to the DfE to clarify such matters.

Schools contingency framework released
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motherrunner · 19/08/2021 06:05

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9906737/Frosty-reception-unions-Government-suggests-teachers-hold-classes-OUTSIDE.html

The Daily Mail going with Unions trying to block outdoor lessons. They’re really scraping the barrel now. Guess it’s because we’re going back to normal they won’t be much to actually blame teachers for. My girls didn’t even want the windows open! I could imagine their faves if I said ‘we’re having our lesson in the field today’.

motherrunner · 19/08/2021 06:19

(So many typos - just woke up and not wearing my glasses!)

MrsHamlet · 19/08/2021 07:15

I'm not sure how much "thermal comfort" is to be had on a typical winter's rainy day.

I'm not blocking the idea (heaven forbid) but where it might work for primary (forest school) or PE (except when the field is a bath of mud), I'm not sure that most subjects would be well delivered or received outside.
Back in the day, I used to teach my A level lit classes under a tree in the summer - but not bottom set year 9 in December.

User5827372728 · 19/08/2021 07:17

@MrsHamlet

not bottom set year 9 in December.

You could try bottom sept year 9 in summer! They may surprise you.

noblegiraffe · 19/08/2021 07:18

I think the 'hold classes outside' suggestion just demonstrates that this government isn't actually serious about covid measures in schools and would rather spout bullshit nonsense than put any money into ventilation.

Y3 have got 5 cases of covid? Teach them on the playground. Really?

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User5827372728 · 19/08/2021 07:21

Has anyone heard any plans from their school for the sept plans?

I’ve been in a few times and all the signs about social distancing and wearing masks in communal areas are up, which I hope is a good sign!

MrsHamlet · 19/08/2021 07:25

You could try bottom sept year 9 in summer! They may surprise you.

I could ... but it's winter first. And we're not allowed to move classes from their designated rooms. Which is a shame - used to do some lovely outdoor creative writing. But not in the pouring rain of a northern winter.

noble is right: they're not serious. It's a way of pretending to have a plan but pushing the realities back on schools so that we're left to point out the issues and people can blame us (and the unions) for not having a "can do attitude"

Hercisback · 19/08/2021 07:27

Outside lessons at secondary = chaos unless it's PE.

The government have never been serious about covid measures in school.

DanglingMod · 19/08/2021 07:28

What really doesn't help outdoor lessons is that 80% of all (secondary aged) children seem to be scared of nature now. The shouting and shrieking at ants, spiders, beetles, grass... so disruptive. They don't spend much time outdoors anymore and it really shows Grin

Elephantsparade · 19/08/2021 07:29

Will covid absenses still be an x code on the register?.or will it be an I code and pressure to return to school

DanglingMod · 19/08/2021 07:33

I for illness for actual sufferers of Covid. X for anyone isolating or other Covid related absence, which should be hardly anyone.

noblegiraffe · 19/08/2021 07:48

How will they be collecting covid-related attendance data then? Confused

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