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Isolation rules 16th

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hotasharibo · 09/08/2021 20:54

Are the rules definitely changing next week? Not sure if there's going to be a confirmation or have they done it and I missed it?

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Frazzled2207 · 09/08/2021 22:58

I think Boris said a week or so again that it was definitely happening but I think there needs to be some official guidance to come which definitely hasn't appeared. to make it absolutely clear who it does or does not apply to. I think there's still some confusion as to whether or not close contacts will have to test, or will simply be asked nicely to.
Also wondering how we prove we're eligible if vaccinated. My app shows that I am, so assume T&T people will either accept that or have their own access to that info.

Antsinyourpanta · 11/08/2021 22:48

I've not yet found anywhere that clarifies if it means members of your own household?

Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 00:20

From The Guardian -
"The fully vaccinated and over-18s will only be advised to get a PCR test if they are a close contact of a positive case, not required to, and they will not be expected to isolate while they await the results of the test."

This includes household contacts.
Only the positive person in a household will be required to isolate. If they have the classic symptoms, they will need to isolate whilst waiting for results, as now. If they have no symptoms, or test for different symptoms, they will be required to isolate when positive test is returned.

HSHorror · 12/08/2021 00:37

So if 1 family member gets symptoms do only they isolate from 16th.

Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 01:24

@HSHorror

So if 1 family member gets symptoms do only they isolate from 16th.
As long as they are double jabbed + 2 weeks, or are under 18
Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 06:04

Here is some useful information -

www.hilldickinson.com/insights/articles/covid-19-self-isolation-faqs-16-august-2021

Piggywaspushed · 12/08/2021 06:15

This is such a pain for anyone just over 18 who is not double jabbed because they have just had covid! They would have to SI according to this. That would potentially affect them for nearly 2 months?

Potatoy · 12/08/2021 06:19

Seems a bit odd to say it applies to households as I'd have thought that's where people pick it up the most.

Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 06:23

@Piggywaspushed

This is such a pain for anyone just over 18 who is not double jabbed because they have just had covid! They would have to SI according to this. That would potentially affect them for nearly 2 months?
www.gov.uk/government/news/self-isolation-removed-for-double-jabbed-close-contacts-from-16-august

Children and young people: those under the age of 18 years. Those turning 18 will be treated in the same way as children until the age of 18 years and 6 months, to allow them time to get vaccinated.

ColettesEarrings · 12/08/2021 06:29

The actual legislation here www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1045/contents and amendments here www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2021/851/contents are absolutely clear, household members are not distinguished separately and therefore as long as they meet the relevant criteria, can stop contact isolating. Anyone testing positive themselves must continue to complete their own ten days. Whether this is truly sensible or scientifically backed is perhaps debatable, but it's the law as it stands at the moment. And yes, adults who are unjabbed, single jabbed, or under 14 day post double jabbed are disadvantaged for longer, until they meet the 14 day double jab criteria (with exceptions for those medically unable to be vaccinated). The regulations are already in place so the govt would have to actively delay or amend them before the 16th for this not to go ahead.

Piggywaspushed · 12/08/2021 06:37

I know about that bit fedup but the young people this most affects atm will be 19/20...

nether · 12/08/2021 07:01

Jabs have been offered to u20s for long enough for second jabs to be falling due about now, so they can be double+14 before the start of term.

Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 07:01

@Piggywaspushed

I know about that bit fedup but the young people this most affects atm will be 19/20...
There has to be a cut off point somewhere. Under 18s are considered as children. 19/20 year olds are adults, most of whom have had time to get vaccinated. If they haven't been vaccinated, either through no fault of their own or due to vaccine hesitancy, they are more likely to get Covid-19 from close contacts. Not sure how this affects spread, as if they do get it, they have to isolate, and their close contacts don't have to!

Another huge experiment by UK government, let's hope it works.

Piggywaspushed · 12/08/2021 07:06

@nether

Jabs have been offered to u20s for long enough for second jabs to be falling due about now, so they can be double+14 before the start of term.
Yes, indeed they have - DS was due his second jab in days and then got covid. Given how rife it is in his age group, he will not be the only one. In fact, it affects all of his mates, due to resume uni in a few weeks...and now having to delay jab 2.
Piggywaspushed · 12/08/2021 07:07

They all got covid on Freedom Day : natch....

HungryHippo11 · 12/08/2021 07:11

@Piggywaspushed

I know about that bit fedup but the young people this most affects atm will be 19/20...
They have to have a cut off somewhere. There's always going to be someone at a dissdvantage for whatever reason. Do you think they should delay this change to the isolation rules by another 2 months to make it "fair"?
Piggywaspushed · 12/08/2021 07:14

No, what I think is that if you can show you have had covid in the last 56 days , you should also be exempt from SI. This is the timeframe in which you cannot have a PCR since that is what close contacts are meant to do. Hardly a point in isolating if you can't do the one thing they recommend you to...

Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 09:22

You didn't make your point clearly at first, piggy.

Yes, it is unfortunate for your son and his friends, who all contracted covid on 'Freedom day'.

The price they have to pay, unfortunately. But surely on 19 August your son can have his vaccination. Will only be affected for c 2 ½ weeks, rather than 2 months.

Whatever, the government has set out their plan, he and his friends will just have to limit contacts (like the rest of us are doing, but granted, harder for the young) until they are double jabbed + 2.

They are at no more disadvantage than they have been before 16 August.

There are lots of rules/laws/guidance which don't make sense, but we just have to stick with them.

Piggywaspushed · 12/08/2021 09:53

No, he can't have his jab til beginning of September and then has to wait another 2 weeks so it is a longer delay and yet he is more likely to be immune and not spreading it. Hey ho. You are right , need to be philosophical.

Bramshott · 12/08/2021 09:54

Where did you find that info about household contacts @Imfedupwithallofthis? I have been looking for that and can't find it confirmed anywhere.

Imfedupwithallofthis · 12/08/2021 11:14

ColettesEarrings gives a link above to the legislation, Bramshott.
I have given a link to gov.uk update.

Don't know what else we can provide. I don't know if Boris or Sajid will be clarifying this for those who are still unsure, but nowhere in the legislation does it distinguish between household contacts and other close contacts.

Even the app is apparently going to alter on Monday. If you get pinged, you can self identify as double jabbed + 2, or under 18.

The app will then reportedly advise you to get a PCR test, rather than isolate. The app doesn't know if you are a household contact or a social contact.

cantkeepawayforever · 12/08/2021 11:26

Dd is over 18 years 6 months, and had her first jab as soon as it was offered to her - the end of June. She still has a few weeks to wait to be offered a second jab, and in that time she will still have to isolate as a contact while those born later in the year will not. ‘Luckily’, she caught Covid just after her first jab so she will be outside the 28 day ‘do not vaccinate’ period by the time her second falls due.

cantkeepawayforever · 12/08/2021 11:28

Ds, 20, again had first and second jabs immediately they have been offered to him. He will have under 10 days of needing to isolate post 16th, but that gap will still exist.

Bramshott · 12/08/2021 15:22

Thanks @Imfedupwithallofthis! I was sure I read on the BBC site yesterday that there was a difference, but that seems to have been taken down now so maybe it was wrong or maybe they're still working it out