What percentage of vaccines don’t actually work?

[AliceMcK]

For reference I don’t actually follow all the news, I switched off during the first lockdown as I couldn’t keep up with it all, if I want to know something I ask my DH.

Anyway today I have spoken the the 4th person in 3 days who the vaccine has not actually worked for. I’ve even spoken to the person themselves or a close family member who is worried about someone who the vaccine hasn’t worked for. This dosnt include a lady on MN last week who said the vaccine hadn’t worked for her.

I’m curious if anyone is doing regular testing to see if the vaccines are actually working. Each person I know about has varied in age, all have some form of underlying condition which is how they know the vaccines havnt worked, but their conditions are not the same. The one I talked to today was due heart surgery, hence being tested, another has RA another recovering from Leukaemia.

How do we actually know if it is creating the antibodies for everyone, people could be walking round thinking they are vaccinated when they actually are not.

I forgot to say, the vaccines vary, they have not all been the same vaccine.

When you say they didn’t work how do you know they haven’t? You can still catch Covid after 2 vaccines. I have and so have many others. They never claimed it prevented you from catching it, but it was less likely. But the main function of the vaccine is to prevent more serious illness or death. I’ve been rough for the last 2,5wks but I’ve not been admitted to hospital or died, so therefore my vaccine has definitely worked. It’s just not something you can analyse

If you’re speaking to them then the vaccine has worked. They aren’t dead and have enough breath to talk. Happy days.

What do you mean, don't work?

I think maybe you need to watch some news, might at least keep you up to date with some basic info.

Don't work?

As others have said I'm not sure that's accurate or helpful. In fact it sounds provocative. Of course they work for the majority of people and that's an amazing thing.

You've misunderstood what the vaccines do! They ensure that we have immunity, so if someone vaccinated catches Covid 19 then they have antibodies to fight it and they are less unwell than they would have been otherwise. Rather than make up weird theories about whether they "work", have you tried reading the NHS website or leaflet they gave you with the vaccine?

I have blood cancer. Blood tests after my 2nd vaccine show I have no antibodies, is this what you mean OP?

Studies have shown that the vaccine can sometimes fail to produce enough antibodies in immunocompromised people.

You need to start educating yourself about how the vaccines work and what they do. Shoving your head in the sand has clearly not helped you.

Do you mean they've been tested and found to have no antibodies?

There are certainly people on immunosuppressants or with certain conditions for who the vaccine may not work as effectively. I don’t think there is certainty over how many would have no protection (which is different to just testing positive having had two vaccines).

My Dad was selected for an antibody survey which was negative despite two vaccines, he is on immunosuppressants so it is a worry, though I understand you can have T cell immunity even with a negative antibody test. He is being careful though because of the uncertainty as to whether he has any protection

They have been tested and do not have any antibodies. Fair enough I could have been clearer in that aspect of my post.

I’m fully aware you can get covid after having the vaccine, I’m not that ignorant thank you.

Right back at you @movingadviceneeded if you havnt got everything useful to say just move on.

How are all these people getting their antibodies measured? It's normally only those on trials or who are immune comprised from say chemo that have antibody response measured. It's not a big standard thing that people do.

Some conditions, mostly those that affect immune response, mean that any vaccine may not be as effective as in other people. People with these conditions would tend to know this.

This is why it’s important that people who can have the vaccine do and why it’s important to keep some other measures such as masks in poorly ventilated places in order to support those for whom the vaccine is less effective.

Blood cancer is a good example of one of these conditions bloodcancer.org.uk/support-for-you/coronavirus-covid-19/covid-vaccine-blood-cancer/covid-vaccine-efficacy-blood-cancer/. Following transplant is another example due to immunosuppressive.

I’m in a trial I do have antibodies ( to counter the no one has antibodies!)

@titchy

How are all these people getting their antibodies measured? It's normally only those on trials or who are immune comprised from say chemo that have antibody response measured. It's not a big standard thing that people do.

As I said in my original op all the people I know of have underlying health conditions, hence why they are being tested. I’m just curious to know if others without known underlying conditions are also being tested.

As I said in my original op all the people I know of have underlying health conditions, hence why they are being tested. I’m just curious to know if others without known underlying conditions are also being tested.

But the sort of conditions you've given examples of aren't the ones where testing antibody response happens? Are they/you getting confused with them simply testing positive?

You might find this interesting, it gives some insight into proportions of people developing antibodies:

www.testingforall.org/understanding-your-roche-anti-sars-cov-2-s-test-result/

It's certainly not routine for people to have antibody tests just because they have/had heart surgery. And no reason why that should stop it working either

@Aquamarine1029

You need to start educating yourself about how the vaccines work and what they do. Shoving your head in the sand has clearly not helped you.

I do know how vaccines work, I just have no desire to constantly watch the shit show the men in power have been running for 18 months. When I need to know something I look it up or ask, hence my post 🙄

Ok leukaemia and RA do get antibody tested - but those are conditions which means they are immune compromised - by definition the vaccine won't produce an immune response because they have conditions which affect their immune response. So clearly it's expected - and one of the reasons why we should make sure everyone else gets vaxxed - to protect people like them.

That's obvious surely, and no indication of the efficacy of the vaccine if you have a normal immune system.

@titchy you can pay to have it done. I'm going to do it as I'm immunocompromised

[quote NotMyCat]@titchy you can pay to have it done. I'm going to do it as I'm immunocompromised [/quote]
Oh! Good to know! Fingers crossed for you.