Primary schools from September...

[SandyStarfish]

Good that contacts will no longer have to isolate... however, Covid will run wild through the classes won't it? And the viral load will be high for children and staff in those classrooms because of all the particles in the air. And in winter it's too hard to ventilate much. It's going to be horrible working conditions again.

I’m glad isolation is ending as repeated ten days was too much for children.

No vaccine approved for primary anyway re pp.

Toomany

Good point. Everybody who has been double jabbed should be back in the office with no social distancing.

Telling @Sleepyblueocean to fuck off and die because she recounted what happens when her ds isn’t in school is so out of order

I’m sorry you’ve had a bad time @Getawaywithit but not all schools have done things to the same standards. It’s the same with the nhs, individuals within it are often brilliant but the system is often nonsensical and irritating. None of what was recounted was a personal attack against teachers

Getawaywithit

You are way off the mark. I am well aware of what teaching is like having been a teacher for many years before having to leave due to my child's severe disability. My is CEV. He cannot learn remotely being cognitively about 1 year old so when he is not at his specialist school where he has 2:1 support at all times, it is left for me to do everything on 3 hours sleep and no respite. So actually him not being not at school for 4 extra weeks is a big fucking deal.

None of what was recounted was a personal attack against teachers

It is a persistent feature of this forum. Teachers who suggest otherwise are all but branded liars. And as I say, you have to have worked in a school these last 18 months to understand the particular pressures we have faced. It’s not good enough to repeatedly say we don’t care about your children or their education.

Anyway, my realisation today is that I’ve had enough. I will be drafting my resignation.

Telling @Sleepyblueocean to fuck off and die because she recounted what happens when her ds isn’t in school is so out of order

Sorry? Fuck off, absolutely. Fuck off and die is not what I said or implied.

@Sleepyblueocean

Then you will be well aware of the pressures teachers are under. I am sorry things are so difficult for you. We all have our own stories when it comes down to it.

@lavenderandwisteria

Telling *@Sleepyblueocean* to fuck off and die because she recounted what happens when her ds isn’t in school is so out of order

I’m sorry you’ve had a bad time @Getawaywithit but not all schools have done things to the same standards. It’s the same with the nhs, individuals within it are often brilliant but the system is often nonsensical and irritating. None of what was recounted was a personal attack against teachers

Where were they told to fuck off and die?! Talk about seeing what you want to see!!

You had a go at me for stating facts about my child's education.

Oh it’s ‘oh do fuck off dear.’

Apologies @Getawaywithit but yes perhaps a resignation is the right way forwards.

You told a mother struggling with repeated lockdowns and isolations with a special needs child to fuck off because she has no idea how hard your life is.

Have a think.

You had a go at me for stating facts about my child's education

Which is the absolute same as saying fuck off and die?!

I had a go at the fact that this forum constantly slates teachers who have worked above and beyond. There is a persistent underlying assumption we care nothing for children, nor their education. It is simply not true.

You told a mother struggling with repeated lockdowns and isolations with a special needs child to fuck off because she has no idea how hard your life is

There was no mention of special needs or anything else, although I may well have missed it. ODFOD is an accepted acronym on here.

It’s OK for parents to have individual situations that require empathy and careful handling but not school staff? You know my personal situation and what we have been through as a family? There’s the issue right there - teachers are treated as one big homogeneous group.

Anyway. I apologise for any personal offence as that was not my intention. It really does need to be understood just how hard some of us have worked and how insulting this continues to be to the majority.

No, that was me. I genuinely misread ODFOD (oh do fuck off dear?) as ODFOAD (oh do fuck off and die.)

Both of which are horrible things to say to a woman struggling with her SEN child’s lack of provision but quite happy to concede I misread. I stand by the rest of the post.

Of course I don’t know your personal situation and I’m sorry if it’s been difficult. But as harsh as this might sound, things being hard for you personally isn’t a good reason to keep isolating thousands of children for weeks at a time.

Fine to defend your position but not fine to attack people like that.
Nowhere in my post did I attack teachers. I said if he wasn't at school, he couldn't learn because of his needs. So the pretence ( and not your pretence) that all children are being educated is a pretence. And maybe that is how it has to be but let's all be honest about it.

isn’t a good reason to keep isolating thousands of children for weeks at a time

Are you serious?! Please show me where I wrote that? This is exactly what I’m talking about. All I have said is how hard we have worked, usually at the expense of our own families and the situations we may have personally found ourselves in during the pandemic. That I am fed up of people deliver misunderstanding what we are saying, particularly given that all we have ever asked for as a profession has been about keeping schools safer so they stay open and everyone gets the education they deserve. But all ignored, we just want children isolating.

So the pretence ( and not your pretence) that all children are being educated is a pretence. And maybe that is how it has to be but let's all be honest about it

All children are not going to be educated if covid is left as is in September. That’s the pretence of too many parents.

No one is saying you haven’t worked hard, so why you have come onto the thread getting angry I don’t know.

If you agree that closing bubbles is disruptive and pointless then that’s fine. If you don’t say why.

Anything else is just turning it into a daft argument.

The problem is many parents just keep saying isolating must stop it's disrupting education etc. But what some teaching staff are trying to say is they fear no mitigation in schools is possibly going to cause far more disruption to education. I am a parent to 4 school aged children so I really hope not but I am seriously worried about September...

Blimey. Even during the summer holidays people are still determined to chuck mud at school staff.

I’m not feeling optimistic. My guess for September is that many people in schools (adults and children) will get Covid. I can’t see any other outcome of the current situation. Even with isolation of bubbles, two recent outbreaks in our school each resulted in over a dozen people in school testing positive (much more once you consider the spread to their families). Most had symptoms of some kind and some were quite ill at home for over 10 days.
As a previous poster said, that level and duration of illness across many staff at the same time is very unusual and schools simply aren’t funded to cope with that.

We’re in for a different chaos than we’ve had this year.

@GreenLakes

Personally I’m glad that the government are taking a hard line on getting schools fully back to normal. DC have missed far too much education and interaction as it is.

I’d be telling the unions that pay cuts and redundancies are on the cards if they refuse to co-operate!

Leading to even fewer teachers to teach your children. Bravo, well thought through.

@stitchmaker85

What would you prefer/suggest? My DDs class was sent home twice to isolate since last September. Both times, none of the isolating contacts went on to develop COVID.

Proper ventilation and Co2 monitors please.

I will continue to do my job to the very best of my ability as the circumstances dictate, as I have done since Covid first struck.
And if I'm ill, for whatever reason, I will be taking sick leave.
And if the shit really hits the fan in terms of teacher bashing, I am in the fortunate position of being able to walk out if I choose to.

In Scotland, we are facing this a week on Thursday.
All schools back!
Most of the vulnerable children deemed able to have the vaccine, haven't yet too. They also will require to wait 3wks for the vaccine to be effective. We have just under a week and a half.
Nicola Sturgeon is given a briefing, which she intends to talk about education and it will be very interesting to see what, if anything will be put into place.
For myself I will be ensuring all windows are open and I do as much outside as possible with my class. I think it will rip through the schools tbh. Hoping not. We may have bought some time with case numbers declining.
What annoys me most is they have done nothing in schools to help. No proper ventilation and any plans are going to be given with a weeks notice.