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Why not Canada?

37 replies

LoveFall · 28/07/2021 17:38

Woke this morning to news that US travelers will be able to enter England without quarantine if double vaxed.

But not Canadians.

DH and I are gutted. We have a trip to see son and family planned in September and it is rapidly going sideways with flights cancelled and no relaxing of quarantine. We just want to hug our family again.

Does anyone know why Canada is left out? Our numbers are better than the US. We are double vaxed with Pfizer.

It doesn't make sense. Any insights?

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Londonnight · 28/07/2021 17:44

I would like to know that too. My son and his family live in Canada. I was due to fly there last July to see my new born grandson, but obviously that was cancelled. We now have no idea when we will be able to travel to see each other. Like you, I just want a hug from them, especially my grandchildren :)

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 28/07/2021 17:59

There were some pilot programs run by airlines at LA, Heathrow and NY checking the process of verifying US residents' vaccination status, which helped convince the English government that it would work.

Perhaps Canada needs to go through a similar process?

I do sympathise - I'm also abroad and know how awful it is not to see your family for such a long time.

I do also know that a lot of US/UK flights are still being cancelled, and people are being endlessly rebooked.

LoveFall · 28/07/2021 18:05

I know this might sound over dramatic, but DH is becoming quite sad about this.

He is British born and bred, and nearing his 80s. He is afraid he will never see de

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LoveFall · 28/07/2021 18:08

Sorry pressed send by accident.

DH is afraid he will never see them again.

We are booked on new flights but they are no longer direct and will be quite taxing and the trip much longer. The quarantine will be extremely difficult for DH who is a very active and fit man who just can't stay in. He is extremely social and I am just not enough.

It seems so so unfair. But perhaps it will be solved soon.

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Changechangychange · 28/07/2021 18:45

It may well be relaxed when Canada relaxes its own restrictions in September. I sympathise, we are trying to go the other way (used to live in Canada, still have friends there and actually have some tax/banking issues to sort out over there).

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 28/07/2021 19:58

I'm so sorry LoveFall, I can well imagine how he is feeling. I guess right now all you can do is go on the indirect flight, and do the test to release at 5 days after arrival, and hope that the restrictions on Canada will soon ease.

It does seem very unfair. I'm in the US and IIRC we've just decided to not let Canadians in for yet another month, which really is ridiculous.

LoveFall · 28/07/2021 20:20

@ZZTopGuitarSolo

I'm so sorry LoveFall, I can well imagine how he is feeling. I guess right now all you can do is go on the indirect flight, and do the test to release at 5 days after arrival, and hope that the restrictions on Canada will soon ease.

It does seem very unfair. I'm in the US and IIRC we've just decided to not let Canadians in for yet another month, which really is ridiculous.

Thank you so much. We are right now having to decide whether we accept the indirect flights or cancel.

It is crazy really. We have flown direct from Vancouver many times, and never had to go indirect. It must be low volumes. Sigh.

Yes, we can quarantine and do the test at day 5 but I have no doubt it will be excruciating, especially for DH. We rent a place near the "kids" and are able to help out by cooking meals etc. Such fun and loving family time. I guess we can call it a glass half full that we will see them at all.

We had to cancel last year so it is now over two years since we have seen them. That is a long time with young children.

This is what happens when your son and daughter-in-law have science qualifications that put them in high demand. The UK snaps them up!

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StarCat2020 · 28/07/2021 20:34

What is odd is that US citizens can enter UK but not vice versa

StarCat2020 · 28/07/2021 20:35

@LoveFall
Do it now because you will regret it if don't

MooseBreath · 28/07/2021 20:46

No kidding. I am a Canadian living in the UK with all of my family in Canada. My parents are coming over next week and isolating in my house - they're biting the bullet and paying out the nose so that they can see their grandson. For people with family abroad, these restrictions are so unbelievably cruel.

SCMocha · 28/07/2021 20:51

It's really odd - despite Canada being on the amber list, and some reports of it soon being green, the FCO here is still advising against all but essential travel, which means that Canadians in the UK can't get travel insurance to go there, even if they'd be allowed into Canada, and allowed back to the UK, both without quarantining (if double jabbed).

It makes no sense. How can the government that decides the traffic lights say it's amber/green, and the FCO say that the risk of Covid means they have to advise against travel there (even though they don't advise against travel any longer for other amber countries, and the Covid rate is much lower than in the UK!)

Loncan · 28/07/2021 20:51

Another Canadian living in the UK with my immediate family still in Canada. I’m hoping the rules change soon…my parents had to cancel their trip here in March 2020, and they’re desperate to come over (and visit other aging family here before it’s too late). Fingers crossed!

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 28/07/2021 21:05

@StarCat2020

What is odd is that US citizens can enter UK but not vice versa
I suspect economics has an impact. The US tourism economy is doing fine without International tourism. It's been DH's company's best year ever - their hotels are totally sold out.
Tealightsandd · 29/07/2021 00:23

@StarCat2020

What is odd is that US citizens can enter UK but not vice versa
I don't think so. The UK is a very high risk country including for the development of new potentially more dangerous strains.

I thought actually that America was advising against travel to the UK?

Does seem odd though that Boris is ok with American travellers but not from Canada.

LoveFall · 29/07/2021 05:16

The saddest thing for me is I have lost any confidence that decisions are being made based on science. I am very, very disappointed. If there is a scientific reason to allow double vaxed US but not Canada, then tell us.

They are not telling us and it is almost certainly because there is nothing to tell.

I am so very sad about this. Unfairness like this is the greatest injustice sometimes.

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fallfallfall · 29/07/2021 05:39

i'm in canada and want so very much to see my uk family.
trying to stay on top of the ever changing regulations.
but right now all i have to prove my vaccine is my card? maybe the reason is the method of "proof" just isn't in place.

TubeOfSmarties · 29/07/2021 05:55

I'm genuinely sorry you haven't seen your family for so long and that your travel plans are getting messed about and causing you worry and stress.

However. the moment we still have the situation where hundreds of thousands / millions of resident UK citizens are being told to isolate for 10 days due to "contact". Vaccinated or not, and with no release on day 5.

So tbh I think you need to stop feeling victimised or acting like what is likely to be 5 days of quarantine in a homely place is somehow an especially cruel thing to impose on your husband, because he's "sociable".

It's 5 days. The first couple, you'll surely be recovering from jetlag and a tiring journey anyway. Perhaps it's worth a few days being a bit bored so that you can see your family?

ElCaMum · 29/07/2021 06:01

In Canada here too and my parents are wanting to come over from the UK and have rebooked flights twice already…
We’re all hoping that by the end of September things will be different.
But I’m so with you on getting frustrated that these decisions have now got nothing to do with science and everything to do with politics and money.
They’re double vaxed, we’re double vaxed…argh!!

unidentifed · 29/07/2021 06:17

What I cannot understand is why they are still throwing around the idea of Canada moving to the green list, with an announcement being made at the end of the week?? I'm so confused. HmmConfused

MRex · 29/07/2021 06:40

The batch numbers and other details need to be loaded in systems to validate vaccination QR codes. EU and USA each provide hundreds of millions of people plus opportunities, of course the largest markets are prioritised first. I would think it's just a matter of time before friendly countries such as Canada are added.

You need to be a little more careful when you arrive with how you put things about a few days quarantine when much of the country have had multiple isolation periods, to avoid coming across as a bit crass. Just 5 days in a cottage with kids and grandkids able to wave and chat from outside doesn't sound much like hardship, make it a longer trip and appreciate the few days to relax.

Olympicdreams · 29/07/2021 07:54

I have never posted on mumsnet before but reading some of these posts I feel compelled to. Please don't diminish what it has been like to have family across an ocean during all of this and the difficulties that face international families when they want to visit each other. It's not just the isolation, it's the ever changing rules about flying and not knowing whether your trip will go ahead or not, the money laid out for tests, and the crushed hopes of seeing family again when rules change or flights get cancelled or god forbid you get a positive test before you go.

Having a family across an ocean during all of this has been torture for me. I have had to Skype with family members in hospital and not been able to visit while a younger family member faces a terminal illness and offer only support over the phone or facetime. I have not seen family since autumn 2019 and Canada's travel ban has meant that the plans I laid for my trip this summer have been cancelled. I didn't have the heart to book yet another set of flights that could get changed or cancelled (on a practical level, the flights haven't been refunded yet so I don't even have the money).

I fully understand everyone's situation is different and people have absolutely suffered domesticallythis is an awful time for everybody, and I count myself lucky that there is time with my family member with terminal illness and everyone else is in good healthI don't have an awful situation of not knowing whether I'll ever see someone again. But I have seen my in laws who live in England (not in the same city), we have been able to make that work a few times over this crisis, and I have watched neighbours and friends create support bubbles with grandparents and friends. When your family lives across an ocean this is impossible. There is no waving from windows, no weekend visits, no promise that one day you'll be able to just drive over and have a cup of tea with your mum in the garden. Even if I wanted to break or bend the rules I couldn't. Again, I know this isn't limited to international families, but most of us are in this situation, while I don't know many domestic families who are (though I know families who have had horrible experiences during this--again, I'm not trying to win some sort of 'its harder for us competition').

Having to isolate in a cabin for 5 days is just a small part of all of the uncertainty of travelling internationally at the moment. I don't find the concerns crass and fully understand op's dilemma. I have plans to see my family in the next few months, but am trying not to get hopes up. I'm not even telling my children about the plans yet in case they get cancelled yet again. I was able to get on with these feelings at the beginning of the covid crisis as it seemed like everyone was in the same boat no matter where your family lived. People are now jumping ship right and left, so to speak, and there are some of us waiting and waiting until we too can have hand-wrenching decisions about whether to hug our mums or get annoyed that a family member won't wear a mask around us as I've read on other posts here (I will be hugging my mum!!!).

In any case, the news about Canada being on the green list is promising. I hope everyone can reunite with their families soon.

sirfredfredgeorge · 29/07/2021 08:16

Isn't it purely about the sharing of the vaccination status in a way that can be actually validated (and not just someone turning up with a print out they've made) and only the US and EU have provided the systems so far?

Pissedoff1234 · 29/07/2021 08:17

I'm not sure I see the problem to be honest. Surely you can just come here and isolate for 5 days. Some children here in the UK have isolated due to being close contacts at school for around 100 days in total here in the last school year.

Surely better to be a bit fed up for 5 days and then can see your family.

SCMocha · 29/07/2021 08:47

The quarantine in Canada has been for 2 weeks, with 3 days in a hotel and the need to prepare for paying for 2 weeks in a hotel if you test positive. And you are supposed to quarantine somewhere with no-one vulnerable, which rules out the elderly relatives we might want to visit. And I'm not totally sure, but I think you aren't really supposed to interact with anyone in the place you are quarantining - i.e., stay in a separate room/bathroom all the time etc., as otherwise they can't go out either.

So the removal of that for double vaxxed people is huge. But if the FCO still advises against travel to Canada, it doesn't matter, as travel insurance is still not valid. Whether they are amber or green or whatever for coming back here doesn't seem to matter - it's just not joined up thinking at all!! They have a greater proportion of the population with both one dose and fully vaccinated than the UK, and lower case numbers.

How can they justify still advising UK people not to travel except for essential reasons?! But consider making it green at the same time.

It's so hard, when you have family who can't necessarily travel here.

It doesn't seem to be based on science at all.

sirfredfredgeorge · 29/07/2021 09:13

But if the FCO still advises against travel to Canada, it doesn't matter, as travel insurance is still not valid

There are plenty of travel insurance options, www.highriskvoyager.com/ would be under 150 quid or so for an annual policy, maybe 50 quid for a few week trip, sure that's a bit more expensive than normal, but then the flights are cheaper. Whilst I absolutely agree the limits on travel and isolation requirements are terrible, the FCO advice does not make it particularly expensive if you do need to go.