Spike-antibody waning after second dose of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1

[DGRossetti]

Total antibody levels start declining six weeks after complete vaccination with Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines - and can reduce significantly by more than 50% over 10 weeks, according to a new study published in The Lancet journal.

www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01642-1/fulltext

Just a shame about all the people who would have to die/ suffer long term complications whilst trying to achieve their natural immunity!

[quote AmyVindaloo]Have a look at this thread and the scientific studies cited to show natural immunity is superior.

twitter.com/charlesbrew/status/1419254706870837249?s=19[/quote]
Absolutely shocking that the twitter account of this non-expert (i.e., not a scientist or physician) is promoting the idea that natural immunity is better than vaccination alongside the claims that masks have no impact and lockdowns don't work.

Multiple unrelated ant-science claims, where have I seen this before?

[quote AmyVindaloo]Have a look at this thread and the scientific studies cited to show natural immunity is superior.

twitter.com/charlesbrew/status/1419254706870837249?s=19[/quote]
I can't see that the businessman and alternative management practices magnate Brewer has linked to any scientific studies? He says things which may be taken from studies, but the only link is to a data collection platform?

Worldwide population adjusted deaths from covid are still less than the 1968 Hong Kong Flu. Just a tidbit of perspective. Isn't this amazing? Global response to HKF was nearly zero.

From business man Charles Brewer's twitter account, one his many tweets demonstrating he is indeed not an epidemiologist or someone who has a grasp of epi

@AmyVindaloo

Charles Brew has linked to several studies including one by Cleveland Clinic. Read the thread - there are several sources.

He isn't interpreting the data correctly

He is cherry picking studies that prove his point of view rather than systematically reviewing all literature that explores whether natural or vaccine based immunity is more robust

He does not consider the other issues associated with infection beyond the outcome he is interested in

He is not an epidemiologist, he is genuinely not qualified to be summarising the data in this way. Do you see this issue with this?

And the trouble with this is you have read this thread and are trying to use it to make the statements natural immunity is superior and Natural immunity is best

Meh @AmyVindaloo. You are a second-hand Russian disinformation puppet.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-57928647

Israel has vaccinated >85% of the adult population.
40% of new Covid patients are vaccinated.
Another 40% of Covid infections are in young people.
The vaccine is working well and there is no indication of how ill the vaccinated vs unvaccinated patients were.

How does Charles Brewer manage to make this into natural immunity is better? Israel did not identify 100% of Covid cases, they did not blanket test for antibodies. He has dug up a few skewed articles that misunderstand studies and further misrepresented them.
@AmyVindaloo Get onto Google Scholar and find a comprehensive literature review.

Natural immunity is superior it might well be
and
Natural immunity is best not if the cost of acquiring it is too high

The studies he 'cites' don't even show that 'natural' immunity is better, if you actually read them. And there's a few big downsides with natural immunity compared with vaccines - you're more likely to become seriously ill in the process and you might infect someone else.

@Haffiana Brilliantly said!

Isn't this time the same thing with the flu vaccine?
I always try and get it in Sept early October but worry it won't carry me through to March /April

Well, I’m certain I read somewhere that the AZ vaccine elicits a strong T-cell response, so that’s good then, isn’t it? And sorry, but natural immunity being better is bollocks if natural immunity is acquired at the expense of your medium or long term health. Better to obtain protection from the vaccine and only after that to maintain your immunity with exposure to the real thing. You don’t need the vaccine if you are not at risk of exposure to the real thing. If you are likely to be exposed, then why on earth would you rather be exposed with zero protection?

Out of curiosity how do you know so much personal info about him?

Yeah

I have natural immunity to measles, mumps and rubella. Oh and chicken pox. Loads of people my age have, a few missed getting it in childhood and ran into problems when they got exposed as adults. If we immunise, we protect these people. If my friend Sarah had been 10 years younger, she would have been immunised not dead.