What happens when people travel and test positive in different countries?

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So say someone spent the weekend with someone, who when they flew home tested positive in their home country and they had spent 4 days all day everyday with them previous to the positive test, in the U.K. they would clearly be a direct contact and be phoned by T&T and required by law still to isolate. But this country doesn’t phone people in the U.K. as contacts and because of this people in the U.K. aren’t isolating as no one has told them too.
They have continued working out the house and going on holiday and staying with other people/won’t have let the hotel know here either.
Surely this is selfish and why this thing is ongoing and kids have missed out. It’s not as though you think you can get away with it as no contact, wouldn’t you morally isolate? All the kids and parents holidays you are risking ruining going into school still?

This isn’t someone’s pinged/pingdemic (hate that term) but someone who has knowingly spent 12 hours a day with someone who then went on to test positive.

Hence the user name.

It’s common sense that if you’ve been a close contact to someone who has tested positive that you isolate for 10 days. Depending where the country they came back from, did they have to do tests on departure or arrival back in the uk.

Unfortunately, you do get people that think the rules don’t apply to them and carry on regardless of what the rules are. All you can do is advise them of the isolation rules.

I think its personal responsibility. When my DC tested positive (in the UK, no travel before) T&T didn't inform her contacts for 4 days. We had told people themselves but some didn't want to isolate until told officially. Similarly due to the timing of the test one particular person wasn't contacted at all but had almost certainly been exposed and again decided not to isolate as no official call. It makes sense to be cautious but then again the law is changing very soon so people are already adjusting to that as the information was released too soon.

The person would need to take on the responsibility of telling their contacts in a different country.

The people in the U.K. who are massively direct contacts know they won’t be contacted by T&T here as the positive test was in another country. They were tested on that country on arrival, not leaving the U.K. they know the letter of the law says they only have to isolate if told to be T&T but they won’t ever know about the positive. So they are carrying on as normal. Going out still. Pubs. Work as a teacher. On holiday visiting others during this 10 days. I just don’t get it.

How can a teacher go on holiday in term time then be working in the holidays?

They would have had to take a test to return to the UK and a day two test as an absolute minimum, perhaps day 8 depending upon where they have come from so they won't be as risky as you imagine but I'd still personally have isolated.

The Isle of Man have stopped track and trace and close contacts do not need to isolate. They are encouraged to do LFT for 7 days after contact. But LFT have run out and none on island for last 5 days. So no one can test.

No school bubbles to burst kids in school as normal.

DS has been round an awful lot of positive cases as she’s a teen, she hasn’t tested positive on a LFT as required by work. Work have had to purchase the tests.

The numbers are exploding and a lot of places are closed, pubs, restaurants, care homes, etc

They aren’t testing people at the boarders.

All welcome.

@CeeceeBloomingdale large gathering, different people. Some are now on Holidays also in the U.K. travelling around in the 10 days post exposure.

@Geamhradh the person did, all in the U.K. aware, just deciding not to isolate as not told to officially by T&T and never will be.

@BluebellsGreenbells that’s interesting places are dropping isolating for close contacts. The consensus here was that the government was going to drop being pinged isolating so they didn’t need to now. So people seem to be following along, not opting to do daily LFT etc.
Cluster is now 4 positive cases directly connected possibly a 5th.

To add IOM is now the highest per 100,000 population in the world.

A music festival is still going ahead, a huge beach party happened this weekend gone, no LFT on island, no request to see vaccine status - only kids in hospital with covid (not good at all) just a comparison for age.

It’s going to explode and the world is watching.

Not impressed with this at all.

@BluebellsGreenbells I didn’t think that LFTs wouldn’t be freely available everywhere. I admit I am ignorant about the IOM and what is going on. Daily LFTs, being sensible for 10 days post contact and PCR if any symptoms sounds sensible.
The pre travel 48hour PCR was negative so no record of original person positive in the U.K.

gov site itself says you do not isolate unless contacted by test and trace - even if you know you're a contact

"Contacts who need to self-isolate will usually be notified and advised to do so by NHS Test and Trace, including by the NHS COVID-19 app. If you believe that you are a contact of someone with COVID-19 but have not yet been notified by NHS Test and Trace, you should carefully follow the guidance on how to stay safe and prevent the spread of COVID-19. In this circumstance you can arrange to take a PCR test, even if you do not have symptoms, because you may be at higher risk of being infected"

in my workplace saying you are a contact is not enough you have to show t&t text as proof