To believe that a lot of people don’t go bother to test for covid and don’t isolate when they should

[Fedupofcovid78]

Just to say I’ve followed all rules throughout including the social contact and isolation ones. But to be spreading as it is I honestly believe people suspect they might have it and don’t test as they don’t want it confirmed that they do and infect people.

@Fedupofcovid78

Just to say I’ve followed all rules throughout including the social contact and isolation ones. But to be spreading as it is I honestly believe people suspect they might have it and don’t test as they don’t want it confirmed that they do and infect people.

I am disgusted at my DH's colleague, one in particular that who has had covid twice now.

We tested negative but the waiting period was a bit stressful.

I do find this particular colleague is reckless and goes to work, doesn't wear masks at all, then goes back to work with even symptoms.

Upsetting as I and our family is still wearing masks when in crowds.

I think we have quite high testing here compared to a lot of countries , so think minority that ignore, most people I know have tested with symptoms and isolated when required and many still doing lvt as well

@DeathByWalkies so do we all and then if you pass on you put that problem on someone else.

Over the course of the whole pandemic I know of two neighbours whose children have been sent home from school with symptoms, multiple times for one neighbour and have still sent their other children to school different schools and both mum and dad have gone to work every day (one is a career) and never bothered isolating the family or testing the children with symptoms and the child with symptoms outside in the street for hour hour here half hour there every time, parents response it’s just a cold no need to test etc,
I’m also aware of how many children who suffer with ‘tonsillitis’ has increased dramatically the past year and a half in both my younger DD’s classes, what like over half the class in my middle child’s class have issues with their tonsils.
I could go on and on with examples I’ve seen of people not even trying I get that for most people they need their wage and can’t afford to fall into debt and mental health and such but really no effort by some, let the child out garden not the street coughing everywhere and talking to passers by and get them tested at least.

@Makesmilingyourbesthobby

Over the course of the whole pandemic I know of two neighbours whose children have been sent home from school with symptoms, multiple times for one neighbour and have still sent their other children to school different schools and both mum and dad have gone to work every day (one is a career) and never bothered isolating the family or testing the children with symptoms and the child with symptoms outside in the street for hour hour here half hour there every time, parents response it’s just a cold no need to test etc, I’m also aware of how many children who suffer with ‘tonsillitis’ has increased dramatically the past year and a half in both my younger DD’s classes, what like over half the class in my middle child’s class have issues with their tonsils. I could go on and on with examples I’ve seen of people not even trying I get that for most people they need their wage and can’t afford to fall into debt and mental health and such but really no effort by some, let the child out garden not the street coughing everywhere and talking to passers by and get them tested at least.

Not sure how you’d know they didn’t test their children…..

@Katie517

I would isolate if I had covid but that’s all! I also wouldn’t get a PCR test. I can’t see the point if I myself know i have it or have had it confirmed by a LF test at home.

I don’t agree with the 10 day isolation for contacts when I can easily test and if it’s fine for healthcare workers to go in and mix with vulnerable people when they are a close contact by just testing each day, it’s fine for me to do the same. It’s utterly ridiculous that you shouldn’t even really go out to exercise In the fresh for the 10 days If you are a close contact and it’s not something I am willing to do to myself or my baby, my mental health couldn’t take 10 days stuck indoors with a very active 11 month old on the off chance I might have covid. Some may think it’s selfish but I think it’s selfish to expect people to lock themselves away when they have been fully vaccinated after the sacrifices we have been expected to make over the last 16 months!

@Katie517 Yes I think that is selfish and that your supposed justifications are incredibly poor! Let's hope that it's not your 11 months old or your parent who's adversely affected. 10 days really isn't that long. However the selfishness is overwhelming.

Some people can't afford to be off work and/or have no sick pay.

@BusyLizzie61 have you had a baby during this pandemic?! If not then please don’t come at me with your “it’s so selfish” rhetoric. 10 days is a long time for me and you have no right to dismiss people’s concern for their mental health as selfish. My sanity has been saved during this whole pandemic through getting outdoors and exercising away from home so no I won’t give that up for 10 days in the off chance I might have covid when I can test! And I couldn’t give a toss that you think my justifications are poor, I think your narrow minded I’m alright with it so everyone else should be attitude is poor.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@DeathByWalkies so do we all and then if you pass on you put that problem on someone else. [/quote]
Some people get sick pay - I don't.

That's the difference.

If the government wants to ban me from working then they need to pay the costs of that.

Some people got SEISS when all their contracts were cancelled last March. I didn't, purely because I went self employed almost a year before COVID.

Some people's businesses are back up to full strength, but mine isn't, so I've suffered a reduced income for 16 months, and realistically it won't be back to normal until at least next spring because I'm in the events supply chain.

The biggest bloody irony? This new self isolation scheme will cover my big business competitors, but not my little artisan business, even where we make the same products.

I'm double jabbed, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I'm just poor, and what reserves I had have all gone on trying to survive the previous lockdowns.

That's so out of order. It's hard enough (and isolating enough) for new mums at the best of times, but I feel so sorry for anyone who had to go through this during the pandemic. I have friends who have really struggled.

10 days is all very well if you have a large house, a nice garden, a salaried job you can do from home and a spare room to work in. But many people don't have one, or all, of those things. For some people, it might mean literally staying in one room for 10 days.

There's a reason why we don't normally do that. It's not normal. It's not healthy - either physically or mentally!

It's a super hard thing to do and I don't think anyone has the right to sermonise about what they'd do in someone else's shoes.

I’m also a mum who had a baby last year. Plus a toddler! Isolating for 10 days is incredibly tough. During the “proper” lockdowns of last year my mental health really struggled.
I wouldn’t judge anyone with a young family who decided to end their isolation early. Especially if you have no symptoms and negative LFT. There HAS to be some common sense about it all too. These rules will come into play anyway in a few weeks if you’re double jabbed.
Infact, I think the self testing route is actually safe than the isolation route as you could have people in isolation who are asymptomatic, who are still infectious after the 10 days. At least if you test you should pick it up, symptoms or not.

10 days is all very well if you have a large house, a nice garden, a salaried job you can do from home and a spare room to work in. But many people don't have one, or all, of those things. For some people, it might mean literally staying in one room for 10 days.

There's a reason why we don't normally do that. It's not normal. It's not healthy - either physically or mentally!

It's a super hard thing to do and I don't think anyone has the right to sermonise about what they'd do in someone else's shoes.

Totally agree with all this, especially the last bit.

@BusyLizzie61 I’m putting no one at risk by going out for a run or taking my baby out for a walk if I am isolating as a contact and testing negative! It’s not about not being able to handle 10 days with my child it’s about the need for both me and my child not to be forced to stay in our home for 10 days for no reason when on the 16th of aug I will be able to go about my business as usual. Nothing about my situation will have changed on that arbitrary date so why is it safe then and not now?

You have shown yourself to be an incredibly uncaring fool who is incapable of using common sense to make a judgement so you go on being you while the rest of us crack on with doing what’s right for our own mental health and our families after 16 months of trying to “protect others” at the detriment of many other things, my post natal mental health being one of them!

I'm afraid that I can and will sermonise!
I was shielding. So that meant no leaving the home. With a child with autism on my own.
A baby for 10 days would be a walk in the park believe me!

All this justification.... Wonder how if it's your family mourning a loved one that these justifications will soon become guilt!
I suppose though protecting others doesn't matter eh!

Myself and my partner tested positive a month ago, we had to isolate and we live in a studio flat with one room, no garden, no balcony, nothing. Both of us lost 10 days’ wages too. I stupidly posted on here saying that I was thinking of us going for a walk in a secluded area where nobody is around and I was completely vilified and told I was a disgusting human being. People so quick to berate you, oh and I was told I couldn’t possibly be finding it hard and I needed to suck it up.

@BusyLizzie61 you are pathetic, me going for a walk having tested negative for covid will result in someone’s death?!? And also just for the record poor mental health often results in death also. Also please answer what will be different about the situation in August 16th why does it not result in me selfishly causing “death” then?!?

Every time I've tested (lateral flow) I've prayed it's negative, while wondering why I was actually doing it - as I absolutely cannot afford to isolate again. I just can't. If me and DP miss any more work we're done. He had 3 months off when he had covid and I had 4 weeks, plus several spells of isolation, he has no sick pay left and no holidays, and I'm self employed so have neither in the first place! I can understand why people just don't test.

@Katie517

I would isolate if I had covid but that’s all! I also wouldn’t get a PCR test. I can’t see the point if I myself know i have it or have had it confirmed by a LF test at home.

I don’t agree with the 10 day isolation for contacts when I can easily test and if it’s fine for healthcare workers to go in and mix with vulnerable people when they are a close contact by just testing each day, it’s fine for me to do the same. It’s utterly ridiculous that you shouldn’t even really go out to exercise In the fresh for the 10 days If you are a close contact and it’s not something I am willing to do to myself or my baby, my mental health couldn’t take 10 days stuck indoors with a very active 11 month old on the off chance I might have covid. Some may think it’s selfish but I think it’s selfish to expect people to lock themselves away when they have been fully vaccinated after the sacrifices we have been expected to make over the last 16 months!

I completely agree that it is far more selfish to expect well people to stay indoors for as long as ten days, to the detriment of their mental health and finances, just on the off chance that they might have covid and could give it to someone unvaccinated and vulnerable.

We are all mostly vaccinated now, the point of that was so that we can get back to some kind of normality. I would much rather risk catching covid, which even if it produces symptoms are likely to be mild, than have anyone suffering in isolation for my benefit.

It’s time that those people who need protection from covid do what they can to protect themselves, and those who need to get on with life can do the same while still being courteous and considerate.

If others die as a result of your selfishness then that's on you. Ultimately, poor mental health will recover and not mean death! That's the bottom line.

Have you never heard of death by suicide caused by poor mental health? People don’t always recover from poor mental health, and even if they did it is still an awful thing to suffer in the mean time. And covid doesn’t automatically mean death either, it’s a barely noticeable illness for many and mild for the vast majority. The bottom line is that we can’t continue to expect people to suffer for the sake of a potential minor benefit to others, especially when those others are capable of protecting themselves.

For some on the breadline they can't afford to isolate for 10 days with no help from the government so there's a definite possibility some people ignore and don't test as they don't want a confirmation. Especially if it is as mild as they say it is now in a lot of cases.

…And this is why the government need to stop fannying around and announcing changes so far in advance. Some will follow the rules to the letter until the official date and others will decide to implement them now because a couple of weeks makes no difference.

Neither is in the wrong imho, the communication from those in charge is.

I don't think the info is clear enough about what symptoms to expect with the delta variant. I was going into Sainsburys the other day and overheard the member of staff who stands by the door welcoming customers telling a friend that she'd had a streaming 'cold' and a banging headache for days. That basically summed up my symptoms, but I think people are still expecting a cough and a temperature...

@Anonymum40

I don't think the info is clear enough about what symptoms to expect with the delta variant. I was going into Sainsburys the other day and overheard the member of staff who stands by the door welcoming customers telling a friend that she'd had a streaming 'cold' and a banging headache for days. That basically summed up my symptoms, but I think people are still expecting a cough and a temperature...

You don’t know that they hadn’t already tested negative though. Colds still exist.