Assumptions between the unvaccinated and the vaccinated ?

[Wellbythebloodyhell]

Looking at other threads and news outlets etc, why do we assume the unvaccinated are all certainly positive covid carriers and the vaccinated are all negative??
Granted the chances of testing or carrying the virus is lower if vaccinated but its not a certainty they don't have or transmit, nor is it a certainty the unvaccinated are all covid positive walking health hazards. The perceptions between the two (on MN anyway) are polar opposites .

I don't assume anything about anyone. I'm vaccinated myself, but I'm not scared of Covid at all so couldn't give a flying fuck who else around me is vaccinated or not.

I'm not assuming anything. Vaccine data is good about reducing severity of illness and risk of spread, but it's not a binary of vaccinated= safe, unvaccinated= highly infectious disease carrier.

I'm confident in that I'm as protected as I'm going to be and have been for some weeks within the current circumstances. There's no point about fretting beyond that.

Generally the more who are vaccinated the better, but where people have doubts or are not yet, it's better to have sensible discussions about that rather than polarising and alienating people over it. It's a health decision and I don't like it being politicised and moralised.

I agree. I hate that unvaccinated people are seen as "unclean" and vaccinated people are 100% safe. Neither are true.

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Looking at other threads and news outlets etc, why do we assume the unvaccinated are all certainly positive covid carriers and the vaccinated are all negative?? Granted the chances of testing or carrying the virus is lower if vaccinated but its not a certainty they don't have or transmit, nor is it a certainty the unvaccinated are all covid positive walking health hazards. The perceptions between the two (on MN anyway) are polar opposites .

No-one (who is an expert or involved in informing policy) is making statements like this

Vaccination significantly reduces both your chances of infection and passing it on, it doesn't reduce this is zero.

People on the internet and in the media constantly report crap, it's not new

@XenoBitch vaccinated people are not seen as "unclean" by anyone that isn't an idiot

i don't assume anything about anyone either.
none of my business what people do regarding their health practices.
i couldn't care less what vaccination choice some people have made, i do however hope my health care providers are vaccinated. whether my aesthetician is vaccinated i care not one iota.

It matters more if you might suffer sever side effects of covid.

Especially with the population case rate going up, i’d rather be cautious (though not everyone shares my attitude). I would be more cautious with unvaccinated people than vaccinated - all other things being equal. Though other things would also be risk factors - like if their kids went to secondary school or their job involved seeing a lot of people with little ppe. Weekly regular LFTs or recent negative pcr test would decrease risk. I’m only partially vaccinated and understand if people saw me as a risk and would be happy to volunteer this info to people so they can make their own decision (though I am reluctant to meet people currently anyway).

I thought was it’s more those that have had a single dose of the vaccine compared those who are double jabbed.

Obviously those who are double jabbed can still catch it and transmit but we’re being told by the government that this is much more likely if someone has only have 1 vaccine. This is then reflected in the demographic of more younger people catching covid.

Simple.

The media.

'We' don't.

HTH

@Wellbythebloodyhell

Looking at other threads and news outlets etc, why do we assume the unvaccinated are all certainly positive covid carriers and the vaccinated are all negative?? Granted the chances of testing or carrying the virus is lower if vaccinated but its not a certainty they don't have or transmit, nor is it a certainty the unvaccinated are all covid positive walking health hazards. The perceptions between the two (on MN anyway) are polar opposites .

That's quite binary - I think for most people it is much more nuanced than that. I don't view any unvaccinated people as health hazards as vaccinated people can carry the virus as well. I would only like more vaccinated people as this contributes to herd immunity - and protects them, as well.

tbh, I think people assume that behaviours cluster. Also, it's about "do I trust you to be safe" rather than any actual logic about vacc effectiveness.

So if I'm fervently pro-covid-vacc, and if you are vacc'd, the logic goes, you are probably my type of person who wears a mask, avoids big gatherings, avoids anyone who might have covid. I assume all of that goes together. I like you so I trust you won't bring me covid.

But if you aren't jabbed, then I assume you never mask (wtf is it with people thinking masks make such a difference), go to wild raves, and make no effort at all. You obviously don't care and this means you are dangerous.

In this logic system, a parent nurse of 5 children daily attending school with own social lives, only some of the kids vaccinated, who worked with potential covid patients daily but followed guidance about PPE & obviously had jab = "safe" even though they are constantly exposed and highly socially connected.

Joe Biden would be safe by this logic (highly socially connected & exposed to people, including big groups, but is vax'd).

In meantime, random stranger who barely gets out, orders shopping online, has no friends and is unjabbed = "highly unsafe." This person is twice as dangerous if they espouse any vaccine hesitancy publicly. 5x as dangerous if they are publicly anti-vacc. "I don't like what I know about you so you must be dodgy."

My elderly parents are very covid fearful & I am amused at their activity & socialising choices. It's all based on who they trust.

I wouldn't assume anything and after all I have no idea of other people's vaccine status.
Any assumptions seem to be coming from the Govt.
Eg telling ECV to avoid the unvaccinated and meet outside if possible. What could possibly go wrong?
Plus how does that work for school staff, a child or live with a child.