Would you allow your 16yr old to go on scout camp?

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It seems to be going ahead from Friday for a week.
They’ve split the groups up and he will be in a smaller group of 7 who will do activities together in a larger camp of about 25 kids and a leader.
I don’t know about sleeping arrangements tho.

I’ve just had one kid sick and we’ve isolated as a family for 6 days till he got a negative test.
I’m frazzled

But I haven’t the heart to say he can’t go to camp

@thenakedmolerat I hope you don't know or mix with any vulnerable people

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@thenakedmolerat I hope you don't know or mix with any vulnerable people[/quote]
no idea to be honest.
Unless it's close family I don't tend to ask people what their medical status is

Yes, definitely. As this point he's just as likely to catch covid by getting a bus or going round shops with his friends. Unless he's isolating, he's going to be exposed and I'm assuming a 16 year old isn't going to spend summer in his own house and garden. So he might as well have fun. Also likely to be his last camp?

not wouls I - I am ....but not to scouts, but a much more progressive anti-militaristic, non-monarchistic one....(ducks)

Of course I would

I would definitely let him go. Why on earth not? These children need to live their lives.

I would factor in what you may be doing the week after, just in case he gets COVID or is in contact with someone with COVID, as someone he is sharing a tent with maybe harbouring the virus.

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@thenakedmolerat I hope you don't know or mix with any vulnerable people[/quote]
You do realise they vulnerable people have had access to a highly effective vaccine for months.... It's July 2021, not 2020z.

@Darkchocolateandcoffee

I would definitely let him go. Why on earth not? These children need to live their lives.

Indeed, I pity the people who are living in fear of the virus to this extent, and especially their families.

@Warhertisuff you do realise there are vulnerable children who have not been vaccinated and indeed maybe in scout groups, and would like to believe that other families will be doing the responsible thing

He’s done tests twice this week already and we are going to do another one this evening
His brother got a neg pcr from a test taken on Sunday when he was ill.
Everyone has had negative tests all week tbh.
They are keeping the group small too.
I suppose the most risk is tent sharing at night.
They will all do lft tests before they leave from the scout park too

Yes I'd definitely let him go.

DC1 has just been sent home from a residential sports camp after one night. His room mate became sick and had a positive lateral flow test so both sent home. Room mate is quite sick now and my DC is bored brainless stuck at home isolating.

Other kids didn’t get sent home at the same time because they were out playing sport all day so only room sharing was deemed high risk. Kids dropping like flies now and coming home early.

It’s such a pain and so sad for the children who were so looking forward to it.

Everyone had negative lateral flows before they left by the way.

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@Warhertisuff you do realise there are vulnerable children who have not been vaccinated and indeed maybe in scout groups, and would like to believe that other families will be doing the responsible thing[/quote]
If I had a child who was CEV and for whom Covid was likely to be an issue I'd not be sending them. I'd be naive to think the camp was "Covid secure" whether other or not other people were adhering rigorously to rules.

What do you think those children should do in September @Warhertisuff when they have to go to school?

If I had a child who was CEV and for whom Covid was likely to be an issue I'd not be sending them. I'd be naive to think the camp was "Covid secure" whether other or not other people were adhering rigorously to rules.

This attitude is so heartless. Do you really not care if a vulnerable child dies because you were reckless?

@ineedaholidaynow

What do you think those children should do in September *@Warhertisuff* when they have to go to school?

Firstly they should be vaccinated ASAP. Secondly, measures should be put in place to support learning at home until the wave passes.

@karmakameleon

If I had a child who was CEV and for whom Covid was likely to be an issue I'd not be sending them. I'd be naive to think the camp was "Covid secure" whether other or not other people were adhering rigorously to rules.

This attitude is so heartless. Do you really not care if a vulnerable child dies because you were reckless?

Cases are very high now regardless. The risk assessment for a someone who is CEV surely doesn't hinge on everyone obeying T&T to the letter - that would be crazy. Cases are pretty likely to percolate into the scout camp whatever is done, so why ruin the OP's DS's camp?

Firstly they should be vaccinated ASAP. Secondly, measures should be put in place to support learning at home until the wave passes.

Perhaps everyone should be home learning if we think it’s an effective way of teaching children. Presumably you don’t, and you want your kids in school?

Cases are very high now regardless. The risk assessment for a someone who is CEV surely doesn't hinge on everyone obeying T&T to the letter - that would be crazy.

The poster above said they would never test and never isolate. That’s hardly about following T&T to the letter and pretty reckless in my opinion.

Without hesitation. I assume they all need a negative lateral flow test within 24 hours of the start?

@karmakameleon

Firstly they should be vaccinated ASAP. Secondly, measures should be put in place to support learning at home until the wave passes.

Perhaps everyone should be home learning if we think it’s an effective way of teaching children. Presumably you don’t, and you want your kids in school?

So because a few children may need to be schooled at home, everyone must be schooled at home...

So because a few children may need to be schooled at home, everyone must be schooled at home... hmm

No everyone should stay at home if they have symptoms until they have a negative PCR result and if they are positive (or a contact of someone who is) they should isolate as per the guidelines. You can’t remove all risk but if people won’t even do this, they are being needlessly reckless with other people’s health and in some cases, their lives.

I notice that you want your life to go on as normal but think it’s completely ok to restrict vulnerable children and their families to their homes indefinitely. My vulnerable child is five by the way so no hope of him being vaccinated any time soon. So he and his brothers should miss school and holidays and any extra curricular activities and play dates and seeing family for a couple of years maybe?

@karmakameleon

So because a few children may need to be schooled at home, everyone must be schooled at home... hmm

No everyone should stay at home if they have symptoms until they have a negative PCR result and if they are positive (or a contact of someone who is) they should isolate as per the guidelines. You can’t remove all risk but if people won’t even do this, they are being needlessly reckless with other people’s health and in some cases, their lives.

I notice that you want your life to go on as normal but think it’s completely ok to restrict vulnerable children and their families to their homes indefinitely. My vulnerable child is five by the way so no hope of him being vaccinated any time soon. So he and his brothers should miss school and holidays and any extra curricular activities and play dates and seeing family for a couple of years maybe?

Given your position, i can understand why you have strong feelings on this and have taken against my posts.

My opinion is that, given the current state of the pandemic and the virulence of Delta, continued suppression via frequent LFTs and isolation after contacts are as unsustainable as it is ultimately futile, and will simply string out the period of high infection levels, lengthening he time that those who are CEV will remain at heightened risk, all the while playing havoc economically, educationally and socially.

If you were planning for your DS to remain under the cloud of a long lasting wave ( possibly for two years as you suggest), I believe the half measures of LFTs and contact isolation would ironically help achieve that. It's better for the pandemic to burn brighter and faster over the summer and burn itself out into the autumn than to simmer and linger into the winter and into 2022..: numbers never getting low enough for CEV to feel safe whilst society continues to reel under never-ending restrictions.

Were your son a member of this scout troop, and the leader told parents that he had a CEV brother, and that you felt you needed a LFT to be done before they went, I would understand and comply, keeping my son at home were he to test positive.