Feeling so angry and out of goodwill

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I'm feeling so angry and utterly fed up with this government.

DC has just been sent home to isolate due to being a contact. I have a healthy, asymptomatic child sitting at home who isn't allowed out even to exercise. He has numerous health conditions, and his appointments that I have worked so hard to get for the past year all fall within his ten day isolation period. These appointments all impact on the care he receives elsewhere, which in turn will further impact him.

I'm not a Tory but I did have goodwill towards the government at the beginning of this. Impossible situation, no perfect solution, someone always thinks you've made a wrong decision etc etc. But seeing thousands of fans packed into Wembley and knowing that the restrictions will be lifted on Monday is utterly enraging me.

I simply cannot get my head around the idea that the virus is apparently so benign that they can remove all facemasks and social distancing, yet is simultaneously so dangerous that my healthy, symptom free child has to sit at home for ten days without leaving the house, missing important appointments in the process, because there is (apparently) simply no other way to reduce the threat he apparently poses to society. But if you've been traveling and pay for a PCR you're ok after 5 days??

Just feeling so discouraged.

Lft every day and take him. Sometimes for some people medical appts are critical.

i wouldnt take to medical appts.
but otherwise i completely agree and im pro restrictions.
The stupidity of multiple cases in school but siblings going in. !!!

I agree my 5 year old was put into isolation yesterday as a member of staff tested positive. Not as important as medical appointments it missed sports day, meeting his new year 1 teacher, can't go to last extra curricular stuff before end of term, football and swimming. Plans we had with friends on Thursday ruined plus we were due to go on holiday, in the UK, on Friday.

Oh, and now got to juggle work and homeschool if they set any for the last three days!

He's on only child with no contact with other children now for days again, doesn't understand why he can't play with his friends who live next door.

I know no one has done this on purpose but I'm so fed up. Plus it's my birthday tomorrow and that's ruined too.

That's awfully bad luck. Contact whoever has the appointments and ask if they could arrange to see him with additional precautions.

Has your son tested positive?

It’s bad luck, I really sympathise

We’ve had the same and are missing a social occasion this weekend plus all of dcs clubs etc.

I work in the nhs and we have had lots of cancellations this week due to isolating. Phone and let them know and they may be able to rearrange your appointments for 2 weeks time. We tried where possible to bring appointments forward into cancelled slots to free up appointments later in the month. Please don’t take him to the appointments when he’s supposed to be isolating though.

Isolation ends for children on Monday. Technically if you’ve started isolating you’re meant to finish but NO WAY would I miss important appointments when isolation has ended for everyone else. Do a LFT.

You should still be attending appropriate medical appts, which may include routine outpatient appts. Definitely call them. They may see him at the end of the clinic or reschedule for very soon

If you have a letter it will be dated saying when to come out of isolation.

It doesn’t mean everyone can just stop on Monday.

Isolation for children does NOT end on Monday @Kentuki.

I must be confused.. I thought the person pinged had to self isolate, but not other members of the household.
If the OPs dh has been told to self isolate but is not testing positive, then there is no reason for op and ds to isolate.
Her dh... Shpukd be isolating from them as much as possible

Isolation for children does NOT end on Monday

Yeah it does. Unless they’re contacted by test and trace which OP’s child hasn’t been.

I thought you could leave quarantine for medical appointments?

@ColettesEarrings

Lft every day and take him. Sometimes for some people medical appts are critical.

Yep this is what I’d do. I say that as someone who is in the clinically extremely vulnerable group. Don’t miss important medical appointments when you can do a test on the day and find out if he has it or not.

Children have been hugely failed through the pandemic

I feel your rage OP

@Imfedupwithallofthis I didn’t say anything about isolation ending?

I would absolutely take him. His own health is also a priority.

I feel it is the confusion and the lack of consistency and clarity in government's messages that is the most damaging.

I'm a reasonably intelligent human being. I've checked in with the news once a day (different news outlets to try to get a balanced view) but since this whole shit show started I'm still thinking

what the hell do I do today.

came to conclusion govt can't organise their way out of a paper bag so I try to use my own judgement.

But if most people are thinking that way, it is a dangerous thing.

Apologies @Kentuki, it wasn't you who said that isolation for children ends on Monday.

I mixed you up with Mixmeup.

@Mixmeup.
Isolation for children does NOT end on Monday.
Please try not to spread false information.

On Monday, responsibility for isolation turns over to Test and Trace. Those children already isolating from school have to by law continue to do so. Any new cases in a class should in theory be dealt with by Test and Trace, some will get missed, but those who are contacted will still have to isolate, legally

You can leave isolation for essential medical appointments , I would take him but definitely do a lateral flow test on mornings if the appointments.

Please please don't just do LFTs like people are saying, ASK the hospital and let them make appropriate arrangements if they feel that will be possible.

Thanks all.

To be clear, I'm absolutely not intending to take him. The appointments are important, but it isn't life-threatening or the kind of issue that will get progressively worse for a 4 months delay. I've just worked so hard to keep him at the top of their list the past two years! I have a conversation with his HCP on Monday anyway so will tell her then that he can't make it. I know appointments are important,but he won't suffer from missing it the way she might if she caught covid.

I think that's part of my frustration, actually. despite how insane the rules are, ignoring them only hurts other people and doesn't address the root of the problem. I've always had an issue with people saying "well I'm fed up now, I'm not complying" because I am fed up but I know that my non-compliance may have a big impact on others because of the way things are structured.

Feel better for having had a moan though

@Imfedupwithallofthis

Apologies *@Kentuki*, it wasn't you who said that isolation for children ends on Monday.

I mixed you up with Mixmeup.

@Mixmeup.
Isolation for children does NOT end on Monday.
Please try not to spread false information.

On Monday, responsibility for isolation turns over to Test and Trace. Those children already isolating from school have to by law continue to do so. Any new cases in a class should in theory be dealt with by Test and Trace, some will get missed, but those who are contacted will still have to isolate, legally

Are you sure? Surely children under 16 don't have the test and trace app as they are not allowed?

I do obviously as their parent.

What happens if they are under 16 and no longer at school. (DD isn't)

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/self-isolation-and-treatment/if-youre-told-to-self-isolate-by-nhs-test-and-trace-or-the-covid-19-app/

How you'll be contacted
If you've been in close contact with someone who has COVID-19 and need to self-isolate, you may get:

an email, text or phone call from NHS Test and Trace – text messages will come from NHStracing and calls will come from 0300 0135 000
an alert from the NHS COVID-19 app

Children under 18 will be contacted by phone wherever possible and asked for their parent or guardian's permission to continue the call.

Isolation for children does NOT end on Monday.
Please try not to spread false information.

On Monday, responsibility for isolation turns over to Test and Trace. Those children already isolating from school have to by law continue to do so. Any new cases in a class should in theory be dealt with by Test and Trace, some will get missed, but those who are contacted will still have to isolate, legally

You’re wrong @Imfedupwithallofthis - it ends on Monday.

Test and trace have already said they won’t be working with schools to trace contacts. Working with individuals will be irrelevant as they can’t call up children and demand they isolate, even supposing the child who has tested knows the name of the kid they sat next to on the bus, let alone has a contact number for them.

In every real sense the isolation of children who have had a positive contact at school ends on Monday.

There’s no way I would make my healthy, negative tested child miss an appointment with a double jabbed HCP under these circumstances.

And on 16 August when all isolation for double jabbed and under 18s ends it will still be the same kids the same double jabbed HCPs, much higher rates and no mitigations in society and we are somehow supposed to believe that is safe and this isn’t?

Come on. We’ve been told we are to switch to personal responsibility now so that works both ways.