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I'm so angry right now.

140 replies

User3billion · 16/07/2021 16:03

I'm really angry and upset over the hugely disproportionate number of children being told to isolate.

It's completely ruining their mental health and for what?

I fully expect a whole bunch of catastrophises to come along and tell me how terrible it is and "long covid" but the actual data does not support that narrative and definitely does not show isolation to be in any way effective at preventing spread of the virus.

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TSSDNCOP · 17/07/2021 19:57

For SI to end LFT will have to be done regularly by everyone. That is not happening in school (actual evidence, not MN evidence).

There are plenty of posters on here and other threads discussing the effects and merits of isolation, but when you ask that question "do you do LFT regularly" the response is straight to they "don't work"

OK, "false positive", easy book a PCR and you're back in business 24 hours later; "false negative", well if you're doing them correctly and daily the next one will highly unlikely be.

I will happily LFT twice a day if means isolation can be reduced unless you are positive.

TSSDNCOP · 17/07/2021 20:03

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Thisisworsethananticpated · 17/07/2021 23:08

TSSDNCOP
Grin

ssd · 18/07/2021 07:52

@TSSDNCOP

I believe there may be benefit to a study of the correlation between the "my kid's mental health hasn't been effected" and the "I wash all my shopping and quarantine it in the garage for 48 hours".
I dont get what you mean?
knittingaddict · 18/07/2021 08:06

Not all children are affected negatively by isolation. My 5 year old grandson had to isolate due to a case in his class and loved it - no school, plenty of time to draw and build things (his passion in life) and lots of time with mummy. My daughter however was not so delighted and the logistics were a strain on all of us.

Our other grandson would have struggled more because he loves to spend his spare time playing computer games and, unlike drawing, you're not really allowed to do that all day. He's also more outdoorsy, so would have hated to be cooped up at home.

TerritorialPissings · 18/07/2021 08:09

@TSSDNCOP ha yes, so true!!

Backofbeyond50 · 18/07/2021 09:34

TSSDNCOP

I believe there may be benefit to a study of the correlation between the "my kid's mental health hasn't been effected" and the "I wash all my shopping and quarantine it in the garage for ..

Never quarantined shopping during the whole shit show despite DH shielding. We bent over backwards to protect DH as much as possible but to still allow our kids to do what they needed to do.
Dd1 did go out according to rules during shielding.
Dd2 and 3 went out for exercise etc.

Went on holidays and had weekends away as a family too when allowed.

We were actually accused by other relatives of being far to lax in our interpretation of shielding.

I too would love to know what you mean ?

Mistressiggi · 18/07/2021 09:37

Oh I think we know what she means.
Wonder is there a correlation between "no child of mine is wearing a face nappy!" and "every child is facing a mental health crisis and no one cares" - certainly is on the UFT group.

PeterPotter · 18/07/2021 09:51

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Mistressiggi · 18/07/2021 10:01

Reported.

ssd · 18/07/2021 10:07

I honestly don't know what that poster means. Can those who grinned at the post explain if the original poster won't?

Backofbeyond50 · 18/07/2021 10:33

@ssd I doubt they will explain but I think @Mistressiggii nailed it.

PeterPotter · 18/07/2021 10:35

ssd

Those posters are ridiculing families who are struggling with their mental health.

They are trying to be oh so clever and cool Smile. The 'joke' is that parents who decided it was safer to wash and isolate their shopping in March 2020 are so ridiculously and unreasonably anxious themselves that they have passed on their own anxious behaviours to their offspring. It's victim blaming.

It's a cruel and simplistic comment, basically.

Some parents struggle with anxiety and might indeed pass their anxieties or worries on to their dc. However this is no laughing matter and actually one of the very important reasons why schools need to remain open so that when families aren't coping very well the dc continue to mix with people outside of their families, get an education and build their resilience and also get respite from a difficult home situation.

In many cases, however, children have developed anxiety and or depression without their parents having been overly worried about Covid. Children who are naturally extrovert will have struggled more during lockdown. Children who have had to repeatedly SI to protect their community and missed out on education, exercise and socialising with their peers for long periods as a result will be affected by this, of course.

Dc from homes where both parents work in demanding jobs might have picked up in their parents stresses. Those who have had to do this know that supervising 3 young children with their online school work while being stuck on back to back video calls is incredibly stressful.

But yes, 'let's make fun of people who worry about their kids' mental health, it's so very funny. No it's not, it's a painful, lonely and hair raising experience when dc display anxious or depressive behaviours whether it is brought about by your own fragilities or simply as a result of the Covid pandemic. Angry

ssd · 18/07/2021 10:39

Thanks for explaining it. I'll know to avoid that poster in future and anyone agreeing with them.

Backofbeyond50 · 18/07/2021 10:49

@PeterPotter I think I misunderstood the intention.

Backofbeyond50 · 18/07/2021 10:50

Not pleasant either way though.

Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/07/2021 13:54

Oh Shock I read it totally differently
I didn’t read it as malicious towards people going though this (kids MH)
Anyway

And great some kids don’t have mental health issues
Brilliant
But it
Doesn’t mean that the people who DO have them are not

I loved lockdown #1

The major problem for my is my sons mental health
Not much fazes me

But that did

PeterPotter · 18/07/2021 14:53

I can't believe the tone of some posters on this thread when they are referring to other posters' dc's mental health problems, which have come about as a result of lockdown and SI. Devoid of any empathy, incredibly self-satisfied and so judgemental.

MarshaBradyo · 18/07/2021 15:10

@PeterPotter

I can't believe the tone of some posters on this thread when they are referring to other posters' dc's mental health problems, which have come about as a result of lockdown and SI. Devoid of any empathy, incredibly self-satisfied and so judgemental.
It’s fairly revolting imo

I bet these posters are keen for others to bear the brunt so they can feel ‘safe’.

Including own dc

Thisisworsethananticpated · 18/07/2021 15:16

In fairness we had issues before
But lockdown really added fuel to the fire 🔥

Backofbeyond50 · 18/07/2021 15:27

I don't think anyone should minimise the genuine Mental Health Issues of children whether pre , during or post COVID. Hell I have a self harming school refusing anxious child myself.
However it is a stretch to say that the COVID response has ruined the mental health of all children. That is clearly not so.
I belong to a group of 17,000 families with children who struggle with school due to SEN, anxiety and unmet needs etc etc. Most of them found Lockdown ans home schooling was a significant improvement for their children.

MarshaBradyo · 18/07/2021 15:30

home schooling was a significant improvement for their children.

It’s still an option? Why did it take lockdown.

There’s a choice for homeschool which is not there in reverse when school option is removed.

Backofbeyond50 · 18/07/2021 15:35

Homeschooling in the sense of Online learning where the responsibility to provide it rests with the school/LA is very different than families having to bear the cost of the learning.
Alot of families cannot afford the latter.

MarshaBradyo · 18/07/2021 15:37

@Backofbeyond50

Homeschooling in the sense of Online learning where the responsibility to provide it rests with the school/LA is very different than families having to bear the cost of the learning. Alot of families cannot afford the latter.
How much does it cost to homeschool?

You can’t really expect all dc to do online learning in lockdowns for your own dc. The harms are too great.

MarshaBradyo · 18/07/2021 15:38

Oak Academy is free - is that still going?