NHS White Paper (will remove the statutory duty to provide hospital medical services )

[MercyBooth]

More here.

cygnusreports.org/nhs-white-paper-doublespeak/

That looks terrible.

Thanks for posting. Depressing reading and equally depressing that there has been no media coverage or uproar about this.

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Change.org petition against the NHS bill

Yes scary how legislation is being pushed through unchallenged.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/14/proposed-reforms-to-nhs-institutionalise-cronyism-claims-labour

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I hate the Tories. I wish people would stop voting for them.

Very easy to do this under the radar while the media are frothing about masks enabled by the public.

Yowzers

This is major

YY @BIoodyStupidJohnson but people would rather froth about masks. And how lockdown was worth it to save the NHS.

Mercy there's a big upside to all that lockdown for the pro-privatisation crowd -- very easy to point at the NHS and say 'not fit for purpose, couldn't handle a pandemic without gvt having to shut down the country for a year'.

Ghastly if they pull it off.

What does this actually mean?

I'm ready to be shamed for not understanding the wording on the link.

Already happening I'm awaiting a referral to a cardiologist and it's happening at a "community cardiology health hub" which is a GP practice with a moonlighting cardiologist.3 weeks in from the referral not a peep.

This explains an article the other day where it had been decided by some medical body that physiotherapy was a better fix for patients than a new hip or knee. Will try to find it

Found it

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9766649/Bone-joint-surgery-no-useful-physiotherapy-medication-new-study-suggests.html

www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n1511

This is a consequence of a government that at its heart is for and supported by big business and not for all the people. It is a capitalist party that evidently benefited those with most to gain from their system of essential social economic survival of the fittest. This is not for the masses despite gaslighting the so called northern England red wall electorate with levelling up infrastructure investment white elephants that ultimately like HS2 will not materialise but makes good positive political capital sound bites and appears invested.

What is happening is not so much under the radar as freedom day is pushed to provide saturation cover while the new healthcare minister being not only the ex chancellor but also from a business investment banking background is brought in to effectively borrowing their terminology “streamline” the NHS and social care. Basically this simply means leveraging the current NHS state system to sell off or increasingly partner with big global healthcare businesses (eg USA pharmaceutical giants to sweeten a potential UK USA “free” trade deal) in a continuation towards a hybrid public private national healthcare business model.

It’s nothing new and not unexpected. Basically the person on the street in England being of relatively modest analytical ability. I say this in a factual and not arrogant manner as let’s be frank - our under funded state schools and some colleges or newer universities are not exactly world beating when benchmarked against the likes of Singapore or Finland etc.

The government will use the pandemic as cover to essentially take the opportunity to make material changes which will be disadvantageous to the general public accustomed to the current all you can eat free at point of use (and abuse) tax payer funded business model. Essentially we can’t afford to run and fund this business model for national healthcare because the demand from the pandemic as well as regular demand will massively out strip the supply capacity. In addition we are about to come to turns with economic realities. Our current national debt at apparently close to GDP is unsustainable despite much of this being calculated as a multigenerational long term war debt that will not require paying off for decades so essentially not this government’s problem as they will be long gone to clear up any mess created now.

So why are people astonished with a strategic plan to semi privatise healthcare when now will be the busiest ever demand customer base by stealth dressed up as national healthcare optimisation because of the opportunities perfectly presented by a global pandemic. This government can claim to be a world beating vaccination government while at the same time rape and fill their boots with off the scale once in a lifetime opportunity to personally profit and get their mates on board an unlimited gravy train eating our monies we technically don’t have through national borrowing.

Oh and finally the current corrupt gaslighting unfit for purpose government (with a large parliamentary majority) will fudge not just to remove the statutory duty to provide hospital medical services but simply say this is a necessity of pandemic and post pandemic healthcare as this new framework would be more efficient with market competitive elements and new fit for purpose healthcare system in keeping with USA and most other advance nations that do not have “free all you can eat birth to end of life cycle” healthcare. So predictable folks as nothing to shock here but English populace taking Covid risks because accustomed to free medical treatment if needed with no understanding nor appreciation of the true market price and cost of the medical care they take for granted as freebies. This is reflected in our per capita Covid statistics as people in most overseas nations take personal and mutual community civic duty of care Covid risk mitigation measures seriously and less blasé because otherwise they will like in developing counties, finally realise oxygen is not only in short supply but expensive in a global respiratory pandemic! I guess people will now be annoyed that you were saving the NHS as much to save lives as a system that can be repurposed and repackaged for profit too at your health disadvantage.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Excellent nutshell

I wish I could say I am shocked or surprised but I'm not.

@justasking111

This explains an article the other day where it had been decided by some medical body that physiotherapy was a better fix for patients than a new hip or knee. Will try to find it

That's not 'just decided by'

It's an evidence-based review, published in a highly prestigious medical journal.

(A surprisingly high number of common medical interventions have never been assessed)

Finding that some procedures don't benefit the patients very much in the patient's interests to be known.

This sort of metanalysis of evidence goes on all the time, and is nothing to do with which party forms the government at the time.

(Remember it was Labour did the big betrayal by first opening the door to privatisation - the NHS definitely wasn't safe with them. There's nothing inherently Tory about changing and privatising the NHS, and I think using the language of division by either explicitly or implicitly making this a party political issue will also divide public opinion thus wearing opposition

There is a petition.parliament.uk one as well -search NHS

Yet as we have seen, other countries have a better funded and functioning health service - Germany for one.

Is that all state funded? Do people take advantage?

There will always be some people who rely on public health but don't take care of themselves here. However, there are a lot of people making an effort - and a lot (like my mum) who try - too hard - not to 'bother the doctor' and put up with pain etc when they really should be seeing someone.

We only have to look at the US to see the affects of a two tier health system. My friend's sister is still paying in monthly installments for her C section 5 years after giving birth. She was literally in the emergency helicopter post surgery with a very poorly baby arguing with her insurance company about whether they would pay for her care and the care for her child.

I for one have never taken this for granted here. Maternity care, operations for DS, a GP who can check early symptoms don't develop into something else, a smear test.

An ambulance for mum yesterday when (finally) she was worried enough to call. They think it's a heart murmur.

Yes, we need to think how healthcare is delivered in a cost effective way - but not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If we lose this, I just despair.

I am not surprised - this has long been a govt goal and its already happening by stealth.

They must feel confident coming out with a white paper.