Vulnerable guidance changes, will children be classed as unvaccinated?

[Girlmama3]

Just that really. If they do say that the vulnerable should avoid the unvaccinated will that mean under 18’s?

Is this just another push for the unvaccinated to get the vaccine?

It will have to be.

It’s an individual risk thing rather than the population level risk thing like allowing children to be treated as vaccinated if parents are. And tha will mean many CEV having to make a decision between isolating from their children, crossing their fingers and hoping their children don’t give them an infection they’ve picked up from school or friends or keeping their children at home.

That’s going to be interesting come September isn’t it.

I wonder is they’ll prioritise over 12’s of vulnerable for jabs if they chose it.

No, because it’s not actually about risk. It’s just politics and trying to pressure people into having the vaccine.

So what do they expect CEV teachers to do? CEV paediatricians and nurses? Nursery workers?
Not to mention parents.
It's all been done as an afterthought on the assumption that all CEV people are elderly and neither looking after their own children nor working and can just hide away. CEV working age people - just get on with it and hope for the best seems to be the only advice.

There are no plans to vaccinate the CEV children let alone those who live with somebody CEV. And the current rules mean that the parents of those groups could be fined or even imprisoned if they don't send the child in.

Sorry that should have had 'to school's on the end.

@Girlmama3

Already are being offered where appropriate

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

12-15 year olds where a gp/specialist thinks it's in their best interest are already being vaccinated and have been for a while. There were several 15 year olds being vaccinated when we went (autism and sen vaccine clinic for under 19's) and my dp's sisters child was vaccinated because of her mums vulnerability at 15

That is not what we have been told. DH in CEV group- GP said 16 yr old DS can have the vaccine but not under 16s. As household contacts.

@motogogo my teenager is autistic but I haven't heard of any clinics for vaccinating them. Whereabouts was that if you're happy to give a rough area? I'm CEV so that would massively help. I'd still be at risk from my youngest though.

@SchrodingersUnicorn

So what do they expect CEV teachers to do? CEV paediatricians and nurses? Nursery workers? Not to mention parents. It's all been done as an afterthought on the assumption that all CEV people are elderly and neither looking after their own children nor working and can just hide away. CEV working age people - just get on with it and hope for the best seems to be the only advice.

I’m not convinced they’ve thought that part through. I suspect the whole thing was a bit of an afterthought when someone pointed out the consequences of ending all restrictions while cases were surging.

The guidance includes the helpful advice that you're on a priority list for shopping slots until June. That'll be June 2021. On guidance issued in July.

Yes, CEV children - still not formally eligible for vaccination according to the JCVI who are appointed by the government and can't seem to agree among themselves.
MHRA has approved the Pfizer vaccine for over-12s. It is the MHRA that receive details of adverse effects and compile data, not JCVI (JCVI is not a regulatory authority, it has no competence on vaccine approval).
MHRA has assessed and is still assessing on an on-going basis all the data that comes directly to it from the public, GPs, pharmceutical companies. It has assessed the vaccine is safe for over-12s.
But still they can only receive the vaccine if the vaccine centre has enough spare vaccine and would otherwise have to waste it (only reason for not following JCVI green book rules).
The longer the JCVI and government leave vaccinating the over-12s, the worse September will be for everyone in schools, with the most affected being the CEV and CV children.