Double Jabbed tests positive. Non jabbed tests twice weekly - Negative.

[eekbumbler]

Looking for opinions really - my double jabbed mother and her partner have been travelling around England and South Wales for the last few weeks in their motorhome. Mum has just tested positive for covid after feeling a bit 'odd', partner has tested positive but is asymptomatic. They only took a test after Mum feeling ill.

I haven't had the vaccine but test twice weekly - so far always negative.

The amount of shops, restaurants, cafes etc they must have been in on their travels makes me wonder who you would feel safer with esp with asymptomatic partner...

A couple in early 70's double jabbed who dont feel they need to test, ot me - in 40's unvaccinated but testing twice weekly.

Interestingly it made me think of a gp who was on tv last week who has to test as part of her job, asymptomatic too, but tested postive both lateral and PCR so of course had to self isolate.

I'd be interested to hear opinions - and not a vax vs anti vax free for all, but as a situation that has happened and could have spread the virus through a few towns at least.

Transmission in much lower in those who have had the vaccine, so I would feel safer around them, and as demonstrated by your parents, it often means people are barely symptomatic, so the pressure is taken off as we can share a sense of relief in knowing that if it was passed between us, we would be well protected.

I’ve not rtft but your first few posts OP definitely sound like you’re trying to use this situation to justify your choice not to be vaccinated.

@Manzanilla55

I went to the dentist yesterday for a tooth extraction and he mentioned several people had been double jabbed but still caught covid. They also felt ill from it.

And your point is what exactly?

Give me a room full of vaccinated people any day.

This. The unvaccinated and selfishly putting others at risk.

I would see you as the higher risk @eekbumbler, purely because two of my household have just recovered from Covid. Their lateral flow tests (which I assume is what you're using for your twice weekly tests?) were negative until they were a couple of days into being ill, whilst their PCRs were positive. I don't think lateral flows can be relied upon. I shared food with one son just a few hours before his symptoms started and I didn't catch Covid so I've got more confidence now in the vaccination.

Sorry that was to quote @season2‘s post on the first page.

stop trying to reverse engineer an excuse not to get vaccinated

It’s basic pro-social behaviour

Spend an afternoon walking round old grave yards admiring the tiny graves from before the 50s and count your blessings

A year after bubonic plague hit people would have sacrificed their first borns for the privilege we have now

The point being OP that cases don't matter. At all. In a vaccinated population it's going to be allowed to circulate causing mild illness, those who choose not to vaccinate will be much more at risk but that's their personal choice, as you say. We aren't all going to protect you.

Every close contact is a potential risk, double vaccinated people just have a lowered risk of transmitting the virus and becoming very unwell if they do catch it, but there is no 'no risk' option if you are coming into contact with other people.

BIL is double jabbed and currently has Covid. However he is a middle aged, overweight man so would have been a prime candidate for severe illness and hospital in the first wave whereas now he has had a couple of days of feeling a bit ropey.

Your question makes no sense. You have 2 elderly people who could have died from this but now just feel a bit odd at worst and you are suggesting superiority for doing a few LF tests when you don't know if you have even come into contact with the virus?

@GraduallyWatermelon

In any case the vaccine is 90% effective, not 100% 3ffective, so some people will have no response to the vaccine anyway, it's not a guarantee of protection.

This is true, AZ isn't even necessarily that effective. But, it reduces spread and severity for most. And you get to choose what other measures you personally wish to take depending upon your personal risk appetite.

I wouldn't feel especially safe around any of you. There is still a lot of Covid around and I would be keeping my distance, meeting outside, wearing a mask, etc.

I don't know what you are "aware" of. Unless you are doing PCR tests every time (and not just lateral) your negative results are not very reliable. Lateral flow tests are just there to mop up some of the cases that otherwise wouldn't be detected.They don't make anyone safe even with a negative result.

And yes it's just as well that your parents are vaccinated, for their own sakes. Without the vaccine they could have been a lot sicker than they are.

LFTs are unreliable, so you testing negative on one means sweet FA. In fact possible it's worse as you think you don't have it thus more likely to be less careful

LFT’s are not fail safe, it isn’t a guarantee you don’t have COVID!

I’m double jabbed, do LFT’s twice a week and am still very cautious because I work with vulnerable older people.

@eekbumbler

I suppose my AIBU is in me thinking I'm the safer bet to be around.

Anecdote and one-off experience do not a workable theory make.

I would much rather be around the vaccinated person. Much less chance they will catch covid and probably less chance they'll spread it. I would be wary of an unvaccinated person in all honesty - I'm CV.

I'm not vaccinated and not worried in the slightest about catching covid so I don't risk assess the people I am socialising with, I haven't had anyone refuse to meet up with me because I'm not vaccinated either as thankfully the people I choose as friends respect others choices.

If I thought about it though, as I know vaccinated people right now with covid - the vaccines don't come into it.
The riskier person imo would be the person with more contacts just because they'd have a higher chance of having it due to seeing more people.
Regular testing wouldn't matter as I see the lateral flows as very unreliable so you can't say you're definitely negative even with a negative result from those.

I keep hearing this " ive already had it" . You CAN get it again!

I suppose the ideal would be to get both vaccines and to also do the LFTs twice a week. It doesn't have to be either / or.

You would be much safer bring double jabbed snd testing twice a week like me.

@season2

No the person testing is only negative at the time of the test and has the same chance of infection as another un-vaccinated person who doesn't test and can easily pass it on to others. Your double jabbed but infected parents are "safer" both to the community because they will carry a lower viral load and be less likely to transmit and also less likely to get very ill, take up a hospital bed and put nhs staff at risk.

Exactly this. Those who have had vaccines are:

• less likely to pass on a serious case
• less likely to take up NHS resources
• less likely to be selfish in general IMO