3rd booster?

[LucyLockdownLover]

Is the 3rd booster confirmed this autumn?

I'm in group 6 in the 1st phase so will I be eligible for this booster?

I'm not too keen having a 3rd jab in the space of 6 months?

Also does anyone think this booster proposal is smoke and mirrors for something else?

Why do they insist on the NHS vaccine card "you will have the best protection after two doses" when a third is needed?

I don't know if it is yet confirmed. I hope it is as I think that the Covid vaccine will have to work in a similar way to the flu vaccine - with tweaks for new variants each year when boosters are given.

I will happily have my third shot/boosters.

@LucyLockdownLover

Also does anyone think this booster proposal is smoke and mirrors for something else?

Why do they insist on the NHS vaccine card "you will have the best protection after two doses" when a third is needed?

Like what? What could they be concealing?

I can’t remember what group 6 is, I’m afraid.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-care-home-and-healthcare-settings-posters/covid-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups

6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group (see clinical conditions below)

Does anyone know where group 6 falls under here?

www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-interim-advice-on-covid-19-booster-vaccination

I think it's stage 2?

I'm not anti vax or anti mask I understand why vaccines are needed but I just feel like we're being led into some sort of mass experiment with these jabs.

I feel like these 3rd booster shots are a bandaid for the botched lockdown to control variants.

If we had a proper intense lock down for a short period of time instead of a long but relatively lenient lock down with proper border control these variants probably wouldn't run loose and a booster wouldn't be required down the road.

At the moment it's like the pandemic is being stretched out and it's never really going away with rising cases.

Just my thoughts. Everyone is welcome to disagree with me no worries. I understand we can't keep locking down forever so I guess the govt is trying to strike a fine balance between the economy and saving lives.

Do you mean “mass experiment” as in they’re doing it deliberately as an experiment? Or do you accept that it’s probably being proposed for good reasons but we don’t have enough safety data?

I do expect that the take up on boosters might be lower than for the initial vaccination, TBH.

@RickiTarr

Do you mean “mass experiment” as in they’re doing it deliberately as an experiment? Or do you accept that it’s probably being proposed for good reasons but we don’t have enough safety data?

I do expect that the take up on boosters might be lower than for the initial vaccination, TBH.

Thanks for replying.

"Mass experiment" as in I understand the push for vaccines for emergency use in a pandemic but there's not enough safety data for long term side effects, yes.

I just feel like we've been lied to about how "2 jabs are enough for protection and off you can go to travel abroad".

I just feel like we're all being slowly coerced into more and more.

When the vaccine first rolled out if they said you would need "3 shots and yearly shots for variants" I don't think people would like the thought of that. I think yearly covid booster shots are going to be the norm.

I thought the booster would be administered alongside the flu shot for those adults who are normally eligible on the NHS?

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy (which you’re not suggesting anyway). I do think there’s a necessarily experimental edge to it, but not to a reckless extent, and everyone gets to exercise choice each time.

I read and watched a lot of the pandemic prediction stuff that started to emerge after swine flu (in about 2008??), though, because it was fascinating, so I think I’ve thought about all this over the years and has time to adjust to the possibilities. I realise that was a bit of a niche interest.

@FourTeaFallOut

I thought the booster would be administered alongside the flu shot for those adults who are normally eligible on the NHS?

I think so also I noticed here under stage 2 www.gov.uk/government/news/jcvi-issues-interim-advice-on-covid-19-booster-vaccination "all adults aged 16 to 49 years who are in an influenza or COVID-19 at-risk group"

Does this sound like group 6 from here?
"6 Adults aged 16 to 65 years in an at-risk group"
www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-care-home-and-healthcare-settings-posters/covid-19-vaccination-first-phase-priority-groups

It seems like they're going to co-adminster flu/covid jabs to groups 1 - 9 from the first phase perhaps?

Oh I’m group 6 too!

I don't know. Sorry. It sounds about right but don't want to offer false confidence.

I think it's always been well known this is probably not one of those vaccines that gives you a lifetime of protection, and will be more like the flu jab that needs a regular booster.

The timing of it is probably a bit on the cautious side because it's best in the face of a new virus to be more cautious than wait until it's too late. It has also always been well known that older people and those with some underlying conditions will not get as much protection from vaccines as younger healthy people do - it's the same with the flu jab, too. I suppose you could call it an experiment in the sense that scientists will be gathering data and using it to plan the next years.

@RickiTarr

Do you mean “mass experiment” as in they’re doing it deliberately as an experiment? Or do you accept that it’s probably being proposed for good reasons but we don’t have enough safety data?

I do expect that the take up on boosters might be lower than for the initial vaccination, TBH.

I tend to agree the take up on boosters will be less but I think anyone double vaccinated will lose their vaccine passport/status if they refuse the booster.

Some people will then feel coerced to continue being jabbed whenever summoned in order to travel abroad etc

@LucyLockdownLover

I'm not anti vax or anti mask I understand why vaccines are needed but I just feel like we're being led into some sort of mass experiment with these jabs.

I feel like these 3rd booster shots are a bandaid for the botched lockdown to control variants.

If we had a proper intense lock down for a short period of time instead of a long but relatively lenient lock down with proper border control these variants probably wouldn't run loose and a booster wouldn't be required down the road.

At the moment it's like the pandemic is being stretched out and it's never really going away with rising cases.

Just my thoughts. Everyone is welcome to disagree with me no worries. I understand we can't keep locking down forever so I guess the govt is trying to strike a fine balance between the economy and saving lives.

@LucyLockdownLover - but look at Australia. They’ve had very strict lockdowns and tight border controls but the Delta variant has still found a way in.

I have only just had my second dose because I wasn’t put into group 6 despite having asthma. However, I am entitled to a flu jab so it looks like I’m entitled to the third booster. However, I won’t be having it in September given that I have just had my second dose. If my GP calls me for the booster I am going to ask them to postpone it and see what they say.

I also don't want one within 6 months OP, I'm group 7 I think, 60-65, no medical conditions and will just put mine off a month or two if it seems a bit early, 2nd one was in June. I am not usually eligible for flu jab apart from last year

Surely if you don’t want it you can simply decline?

@PicklesTheCat

Surely if you don’t want it you can simply decline?

Yeah I'm thinking about declining but what if the government decides that 3 jabs are required in order to have "fully vaccinated" status. I'm going to have to get it so I can travel abroad.

Are you really serious?! I think you're being incredibly insulting to the teams of scientists who have worked so hard to develop these vaccines, and we should all be very thankful that we have had the jabs so soon.

The booster jabs are to ensure that we have sufficient antibodies to see us through the winter season - and also a precautionary measure as no-one yet knows how long antibodies (from either having the virus itself, or from the vaccine) will last.

And also because the virus is mutating, so it's to make sure we have the best protection against new variants.

It's not really that different to having a flu jab every year - because the flu virus mutates so it's different each year.

You may say you're not an anti-vaxxer, but your posts make you sound like one.

@BIWI

Are you really serious?! I think you're being incredibly insulting to the teams of scientists who have worked so hard to develop these vaccines, and we should all be very thankful that we have had the jabs so soon.

The booster jabs are to ensure that we have sufficient antibodies to see us through the winter season - and also a precautionary measure as no-one yet knows how long antibodies (from either having the virus itself, or from the vaccine) will last.

And also because the virus is mutating, so it's to make sure we have the best protection against new variants.

It's not really that different to having a flu jab every year - because the flu virus mutates so it's different each year.

You may say you're not an anti-vaxxer, but your posts make you sound like one.

How am I anti-vax if I've had two jabs?

If I were anti-vax I would go on about telling everyone not to have the jab.

I'm not too keen on the 3rd jab as the 2nd jab gave me strange side effects.

Not sure how it's insulting to scientists for not wanting to take the 3rd due to the above.

If you're happy getting jabbed every 3 months for new variants that's fine. Seems like this coronavirus mutates much faster than the flu virus.

@FourTeaFallOut

I thought the booster would be administered alongside the flu shot for those adults who are normally eligible on the NHS?

When I was giving Covid jabs there had to be 7 days between jabs so you couldn’t have flu and Covid together. Not sure if it’s changed.

"Co-administration of flu and Covid jab 'very likely' for booster scheme, says NHSE chief - Pulse Today" www.pulsetoday.co.uk/co-administration-of-flu-and-covid-jab-very-likely-this-autumn-says-nhse-chief/

It hasn't got the green light yet but it looks like the expected plan.

@FourTeaFallOut

"Co-administration of flu and Covid jab 'very likely' for booster scheme, says NHSE chief - Pulse Today" www.pulsetoday.co.uk/co-administration-of-flu-and-covid-jab-very-likely-this-autumn-says-nhse-chief/

It hasn't got the green light yet but it looks like the expected plan.

Good, it’ll be a lot easier for us !

Two dead arms but worth it 😂