What R rate are we & why is it not mentioned any more?

[That1GreenBottle]

R rate anyone? Can't seem to find it online.

What’s changed is that life has been pretty unbearable trying to reduce those hospitalisations and there comes a point where the balance of harms tips over?

@farfallarocks

What’s changed is that life has been pretty unbearable trying to reduce those hospitalisations and there comes a point where the balance of harms tips over?

I have difficulty understanding how something like "Work from home if you can" advice caused more harm than thousands hospitalised, dead or with long covid.

I've lost 2 close relatives to covid. The first, fil in april last year. My aunt, to undiagnosed secondary cancer last month. Both would have died sooner rather than later. Both had some good years left. Fil was 74, aunt 62. If aunts secondary cancer had been picked up earlier, pallative treatment would have been available. I also have a very close friend whose MH has deteriorated so badly she has attempted suicide 4 times in the last 6 months. MH support virtually non existent.

Continuing to prevent covid with lockdowns causes other deaths. Undiagnosed conditions, MH, suicide, domestic abuse. Not preventing covid causes deaths from covid.

I wouldn't want to be in charge of making any of those decisions.

I don't know the answer.

*I wouldn't want to be in charge of making any of those decisions.

I don't know the answer.*

That’s exactly how I feel. Impossible decisions with deadly outcomes either way.

From the start the government stated its intention was to ‘flatten the curve and prevent the NHS being overwhelmed’. I feel like we’ve had some swerves from this over the past 18 months, but it looks like that’s what they’ve settled on now.

Whether it is the correct approach probably depends on your personal circumstances and luck.

Only time will tell if they have calculated the outcomes and the pressure on the NHS correctly.

bold fail!

@Neverendingstory356 you're not CEV /ECV just because you're pregnant you have to have a contraindication like a heart problem and pregnancy to be ECV

@PrincessNutNuts I think we both know that working from home if you can is not what I am referring to in terms of harm. If you are blind to the knock on effects of lock down, closed schools, diminished opportunities for the young, domestic violence, mental Heath issues, immense stress of the last 16 months then I’m not sure where you have been living. There was a time where that trade off was worth it. There comes a point where is causes MORE harm than good.

I suppose you are right in that only people with long term health conditions received the shielding letters, but pregnant woman have always been considered vulnerable throughout pregnancy and even more vulnerable in the third trimester, to the extent that they were previously advised to shield. They were never on the "shielding list" because that was for people with long term health issues and obviously women in the third trimester are only temporarily at a much heightened level of risk. Recent research has come out that has confirmed that women in the third trimester who contract COVID are at higher risk for a range of problems, including preterm birth and still birth.