Possible Covid restrictions over the next five winters

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9747351/amp/Freedom-Boris-Johnson-set-lift-Covid-rules-July-19.html?__twitter_impression=true

If X happens then we might need to do Y , is fairly standard when planning for potential problems.
If in the unlikely event, we get a variant that is completely immune to the effects of the vaccine and previous infection, we need to accept that there is the potential for some restrictions to be re-introduced. Planning for a scenario doesn't mean that the scenario will definitely happen.

Well I hope these contingency plans contain details as to how to manage schools, work, the economic and mental aspects of further restrictions, also how to make sure there are adequate PPE and other medical supplies.

Any five year old could come up with 'increase SD and mask wearing'. They are no-brainers to have in one's contingency arsenal. I'd like to see some real indication of intelligence in planning.

@CrunchyCarrot @Indigopearl Exactly. Otherwise its just tokenism.

Yeah right @Waxonwaxoff0 no matter how great the risk you'll insist on your right to infect see them.

Good grief.

Much as I don’t support the militant anti vac and conspiracy types, honestly you’ve got quite some gaul to sanctimoniously preach about covid rules and covid losses with absolute disregard to those (like myself) who have lost loved ones and were unable to see in their dying days or before them because of those very covid rules.

Seems like covid trumps all.

And bad luck for you if your relative dies of something else. That just doesn’t matter.

They can plan all they want. Nothing wrong with planning.

Compliance on the other hand ... not a given.

no matter how great the risk you'll insist on your right to infect see them.

Presumably with their full blessing.

For plenty of older people there are worse things than dying of Covid. My parents for example, aren’t willing to give up living to simply exist any more.

As long they keep schools open normally they can say what they like. I won't be complying.

Oh give it a rest. Yes, lots of us have lost people, over the last year and not just from COVID.

I lost my aunt in Jan, pancreatic cancer. I didn't go to see her at Christmas as ds1 and 1 tested positive the week before.

I didn't get to say goodbye in person. On the other hand she got to have a last Christmas with others in the family and die at home with rather than alone in hospital with COVID courtesy of me. Sometimes a tiny bit of common sense and personal sacrifice is necessary, regardless of the law.

@BarbarianMum

Yeah right *@Waxonwaxoff0* no matter how great the risk you'll insist on your right to infect see them.

With their blessing as PP said.

People complained they didn’t have contingency plans in place before the pandemic.

Sensible to have them now. If they do have to bring in rules, hopefully will be more organised and structured, so just not relying on people’s common sense (as that doesn’t always work well).

My big worry about this (restrictions) is that there are other respiratory illnesses that we haven't seen for over a year that are now starting to fill our hospitals. Our local hospital has lots of children coming with high temperatures due to RSV adenovirus rhinovirus para influenza virus some are quite unwell. Each year we are usually exposed to these viruses but last year we weren't and they are now affecting us more than before. We need to get exposed to viruses so keep immunity up.
I get very few colds...one a year...as do my colleagues and I'm sure that's because we are exposed to our patient's germs regularly...
We can't make everything about covid now. We need to live with it.

Each year we are usually exposed to these viruses but last year we weren't and they are now affecting us more than before. We need to get exposed to viruses so keep immunity up.

I think this is slowly sinking in for the decision makers.

Restrictions are as bad for a myriad of health issues as they are for everything else.

Oh give it a rest.

Was that directed at me?

There are many ways to die. In my experience the older generation are getting more and more vocal about their desire for quality of life, rather than simply quantity.

Losing the last few years of their lives hiding from just one of the many diseases that could kill them isn’t what many people want.

I wonder if the anti vax & anti mask supporters have the balls to spout their rights to families who have lost someone in the past 18 months to COVID?
Sanctimonious and emotive language doesn't constitute a coherent argument. It is designed to shut people down without debate, to suggest that because they lost someone to XYZ, then that makes theirs the only position that is acceptable. It's interesting that this has become the predominant argument from everyone, from the government down. "Don't kill granny" becomes the debate stopper. If you don't agree then you are anti-vax and anti-mask. Probably nothing but a covidiot.

Peddling emotions and fear as the reason for doing something or not doing something has replaced rational debate or recognising that there are actually many facets to a discussion and it is possible that you can have lost someone to, for example, covid, and actually also be wrong.

If you have rational arguments to debate, then make them. But don't try to tarnish all other opinions, which are equally valid, with bulls**t emotive fear peddling. There's been enough of that over the past year and some months, and it hasn't helped anyone. It has, in fact, been the cause of death or serious illness for some. Covid isn't the only thing that kills.

I wonder if the anti vax & anti mask supporters have the balls to spout their rights to families who have lost someone in the past 18 months to COVID?

Well, my DM was one of those. She hated all the restrictions, had a hell of a last year, shut up in her residential home, not seeing anyone or doing anything. She was very anti-mask, anti-retriction, didn't consent to having the vax. She died of Covid, despite being shielded. I am assuming she was very pissed off at losing her last year of life for nothing.

It goes all ways I suppose. Her life, her choice, only it wasn't, and she was miserable. If she hadn't been in residential home, she would have been out and about doing as she pleased.