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following double vaccination - LFT and testing of people without symptoms needs to stop

29 replies

NotSoLongGoodbye · 02/07/2021 10:56

Seriously if we want a semblance of normality, kids to be in school, people to be able to earn a living, etc etc we need to stop the obsessive testing of people who have no symptoms.

The most we test the more cases are found, around and around we go with restrictions. Why are we persisting in testing people who are well? What does it achieve? Contact tracing doesn't work, it is too late often by the time they contact close contacts, people have been out and about as usual.

Once people have had both vaccines we need to stop with the LFT except in certain professions e.g. frontline NHS/care staff who may be working with the vulnerable, and stop the automatic PCR testing of close contacts.

We missed the boat on quarantine and closing borders. Covid is everywhere now regardless of what we and treat it like other similar illnesses. This is just my view, appreciate people may have others ... but if you disagree what do you think we should do? How do you think testing is helping?

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AnyFucker · 02/07/2021 10:58

I agree

duffeldaisy · 02/07/2021 11:01

"The most we test the more cases are found, around and around we go with restrictions."

Sorry, but this argument is absolutely insane.

The problem with testing finding cases isn't in the 'testing' part - it's in the 'cases' part.
We don't want to reduce tests. We want to reduce cases.
So we would logically put lots of resources into putting filtration & ventilation in schools, in wearing masks in small spaces, in using pavillion tents in summer and empty buildings to allow people to spread out. But no, let's just ignore the virus and hopefully that'll make it just go away.

valnevavaxx · 02/07/2021 11:03

Because people can be asymptomatic?

Honestly how are we almost a year and a half into this and people don't seem to understand that you can't only possibly have Covid if you have symptoms.

frozendaisy · 02/07/2021 11:16

I think they will once all over 18s are double jabbed but that won't be until around end August time so probably best to accept this until then.

AnyFucker · 02/07/2021 11:18

Then be prepared to be in and out of restrictions as infinitude

This virus is endemic. It isn’t going anywhere

Restricting children’s education and decimating the economy by making well people isolate is nonsensical when the adult population is vaccinated

Otherwise, what are the vaccinations for ? Yes, they are not 100% effective -and never will be

We cannot keep doing what we are doing, that is clear

SonnetForSpring · 02/07/2021 11:18

Yes! Ignore it! It will disappear! It must end now. Enough is enough. Because I said so 😁

AnyFucker · 02/07/2021 11:19
  • ad infinitum
SonnetForSpring · 02/07/2021 11:24

Testing is supposed to reduce transmission but it doesn't seem many are either doing it or isolating. We will soon find out happens when delta gets out of control. Then I'm sure we all be in a better position to have this discussion. It seems many don't grasp the consequences yet.

SonnetForSpring · 02/07/2021 11:25

Let's just say with so many kids isolating. We still have high numbers of cases. So how high would they be without testing?

curlyLJ · 02/07/2021 11:54

@SonnetForSpring

Let's just say with so many kids isolating. We still have high numbers of cases. So how high would they be without testing?
I don't get why people are still obsessing about the number of cases. Surely now 85% of the adult population have had at least 1 vaccine, and that this virus is endemic, it should just be about keeping an eye on the hospitalisations and deaths. Otherwise what was the point in the vaccine? The scientists always said the case numbers would go up and now they are, everyone is panicking.

We cannot continue to send whole classes and year groups home because a handful have tested positive.

@NotSoLongGoodbye * @AnyFucker I agree with you!

nordica · 02/07/2021 12:11

Andrew Marr getting covid after being double jabbed is an interesting high profile example. www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/entertainment/film-tv/news/andrew-marr-urges-caution-after-catching-covid-despite-being-fully-vaccinated-40589015.html

Eventually covid will become just another illness but we are not at that point yet - vaccines work but lots are still waiting for their second jab, and we don't yet know how well it will continue protecting the most vulnerable in the long run so it makes sense to be cautious. Doing an LFT once or twice a week is really not a big deal for most people.

sashagabadon · 02/07/2021 12:15

Agreed!

Palavah · 02/07/2021 12:18

If anything I would say we need to test more - rather than everyone who's been in contact with an asymptomatic case isolating for 10 days, why don't they all test daily and if negative and no symptoma they can go about as normal (per the current study)

Hairwizard · 02/07/2021 12:22

Exactly. Why the fuck are we still looking for cases??
Testing needs to stop. Covid is here to stay. Time to get on with life.

BogRollBOGOF · 02/07/2021 12:38

I don't get why people are still obsessing about the number of cases. Surely now 85% of the adult population have had at least 1 vaccine, and that this virus is endemic, it should just be about keeping an eye on the hospitalisations and deaths. Otherwise what was the point in the vaccine? The scientists always said the case numbers would go up and now they are, everyone is panicking.

We cannot continue to send whole classes and year groups home because a handful have tested positive.

@NotSoLongGoodbye * @AnyFucker I agree with you!

Quite.
Both DCs are isolating at present. In good news the "ill" classmates felt under the weather for a couple of days, still able to participate in home learning, and now with 4 and 6 days to go, the entire class are still prohibited from even doing very low risk things like going for a walk for an illness so terrifying that you could mistake it for a mild cold/ hayfever.

The transmission seems to be pre-symptomatic so the lengthy isolation is of limited benefit. Between my two children's classes, only one year group in the school does not have a sibling connection still potentially exposing them to the spread.
It's farcical.

lljkk · 02/07/2021 13:22

I hope your view comes to dominate, OP.

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NotSoLongGoodbye · 02/07/2021 13:24

to come back to some PP - no I don't think the virus is going anywhere - that really is my point. I would argue we have now mitigated against the major impacts through vaccination, and have much better treatment options for Covid so we have to modify our response to the actual risk posed. Once everyone is double jabbed I really don't see the purpose of continuing to do LFT or asymptomatic people unless there is a solid clinical reason i.e. working with extremely vulnerable people.

I'm in Scotland - cases have skyrocketed recently despite having one of the most severe and longstanding lockdowns / restrictions in the UK. But I don't think case numbers matters as long as NHS isn't overwhelmed, which it isn't.

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valnevavaxx · 02/07/2021 13:31

Because if an asymptomatic person with Covid goes swanning about they are at risk of passing it to someone who may not be as lucky and could get seriously ill? You have no idea who is extremely vulnerable when you're going about your day to day life.

luckylavender · 02/07/2021 13:37

@NotSoLongGoodbye - you sound as mad as Donald Trump

Winnona · 02/07/2021 13:40

Surely we want more information on the effect of vaccines, including mixing vaccines on transmission. That is very important.

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NotSoLongGoodbye · 02/07/2021 13:43

@luckylavender
Thanks - appreciate the comment. I'm assuming you have a different view but are unable to articulate it.

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NotSoLongGoodbye · 02/07/2021 13:47

@valnevavaxx - so when does it stop? What is your end point? Cycles of lockdown, continuing restrictions? Just interested to try and understand what people with a different view actually think we should do as a society over the next 6 months, 12 months, 3 years

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valnevavaxx · 02/07/2021 13:52

I have no idea, because we don't know what is going to happen next with this virus. I am speaking for what we know now, which is that currently we have an extremely transmissible variant that can be passed on and caught by double vaxxed people and those who are asymptomatic- suggesting we give up on testing (which prevents the spread happening so much) just because you're fed up isn't what I think we should be doing.

SlipperyDippery · 02/07/2021 13:59

@valnevavaxx

I have no idea, because we don't know what is going to happen next with this virus. I am speaking for what we know now, which is that currently we have an extremely transmissible variant that can be passed on and caught by double vaxxed people and those who are asymptomatic- suggesting we give up on testing (which prevents the spread happening so much) just because you're fed up isn't what I think we should be doing.
The point being made is that it doesn’t matter if double vaxxed people catch it as long as in most cases it is a mild illness.

Obviously no one wants anyone to catch it or be ill, but you have to engage in the issue of proportionality. These restrictions are not sustainable. They are causing chaos. It’s one thing to implement when no one is jabbed, tens of thousands will die and the NHS is being overwhelmed. It is not proportionate to continue with them when case numbers are not turning into high rates of hospitalisation and death.

Inastatus · 02/07/2021 14:12

I agree with you OP.