Singapore forming road map to live with covid

Baileysforchristmas · 26/06/2021 11:17

Great news fingers crossed that’s what they will do here from September

PinusSylvestris · 26/06/2021 11:21

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backatschool · 26/06/2021 11:29

I live in Singapore. This announcement was long overdue, the measures here are incredibly strict and draconian. All cases even asymptomatic are isolated away from family - even children are taken away. We have a living will in place in case this happens to us so the kids don't go into social care. I have friends who haven't seen their kids (under 15) for over a year as they can't fly them in even though they have visas. If we leave the country we are not allowed back in again even as residents.

We had 4-5 months of zero cases and we were still never allowed to take off masks even alone outside in 40 degree heat, never allowed more than 8 people out together (currently 5 or 2 to eat). The last couple of months have been really tough in another lockdown due to 20-30 cases a day. It is very, very safe but not without a lot of frustration and challenges if you live here.

This was the first time the government or the press have acknowledged that we need a plan to come out of this without chasing zero Covid. Hallelujah!! We don't know what the plan is yet, but it will be linked to % population vaccinated. I'm delighted, it's like a weight has lifted. Many of us ourselves included were about to leave. The best thing about here is that when they say they have a plan they really do and will stick to it - and it will be a good one. Fingers crossed!

ILookAtTheFloor · 26/06/2021 11:31

The stopping of daily reported case numbers would be my ultimate dream.

Can't wait for the day.

VaccineSticker · 26/06/2021 11:33

Have you seen Singapore’s infection and death rate?
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/singapore/

We are few million light years away from them. Nearly there.

VaccineSticker · 26/06/2021 11:34

17 cases yesterday and no deaths...

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PicsInRed · 26/06/2021 11:36

Yep, I'm already mentally planning a holiday or stop over in Singapore. 🥂 Happy for them, happy for us!

And dying to see family on the other side of the world, of course. 🤞

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noblegiraffe · 26/06/2021 11:49

All cases even asymptomatic are isolated away from family - even children are taken away.

What?! Where? Even really young children?

Thewiseoneincognito · 26/06/2021 11:54

You only have to read some of the imbeciles on the Mask threads to see how this is a fantasy for the UK. We will never be in a position to do this simply because of of our individualistic tendencies. Singapore has had extremely hard restrictions to keep their cases so low. They have essentially cut themselves off from the world without any regard to the distress it’s caused many families just as NZ did. We have idiots who won’t wear a face mask for ten minutes in a shop who’ll then wonder why we’re back in restrictions come autumn.

Living with Covid in the UK is living with restrictions, living with Covid in Singapore is mass compliance and acknowledgment that it’s for the greater good.

NannyAndJohn · 26/06/2021 11:54

@PicsInRed

Yep, I'm already mentally planning a holiday or stop over in Singapore. 🥂 Happy for them, happy for us!

And dying to see family on the other side of the world, of course. 🤞

"The ministers said people will be able to travel again at least to countries that have also controlled the virus..."

We haven't controlled the virus.

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PicsInRed · 26/06/2021 12:46

We haven't controlled the virus.

We will do, with mass vaccination and this is quite literally the new plan in Singapore. They will allow the virus in, with severe illness and death to be contained by vaccination and overall covid levels reduced through breath testing to gain entry to indoor events and possibly shops. Daily cases will no longer be reported. There's no reason this can't be the outcome here.

It's a really positive step forward and the end of zero covid.

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NannyAndJohn · 26/06/2021 12:52

So case numbers will be censored by the government? A bit 1984.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 26/06/2021 12:54

@PicsInRed

Singapore, one of the world's most successful covid respondents, is formulating a plan to live with covid and manage it as another seasonal illness once vaccination levels are sufficient. Most notable is the potential for a breath test, rather than "uncomfortable" swab testing, which would be a game changer for kids - and of course the removal of the dreaded isolation and no further reporting of daily cases. Hopefully this could be a road map for us also?

www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/singapore-drawing-up-road-map-live-with-covid-19-ministers-say-2021-06-24/

Testing will be less of a tool for ring-fencing and quarantining people, but will be used more to ensure that events, social activities and overseas trips can take place safely.

The ministers said people will be able to travel again at least to countries that have also controlled the virus, with testing and vaccinations removing the need for quarantines.

www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-singapores-surprising-new-plan-to-live-with-virus/EKXDOTWZYMUGFRRMF553CH2T5U/

A big change would be to no longer report daily case numbers. "Instead of monitoring Covid-19 infection numbers every day, we will focus on the outcomes: how many fall very sick, how many in the intensive care unit, how many need to be intubated for oxygen, and so on."

"This is like how we now monitor influenza."

The ministers wrote in the Straits Times this would be a way for Singapore to navigate its way out of Covid-19, resume major events and travel internationally

Testing would also have to be easier and quicker. Self-administered tests, such as breathalysers, should replace the uncomfortable throat swab method.

That’s pretty much always been the endpoint though. It’s just that here we’re determined to fuck up all the midpoints by letting covid spread freely so long as the hospitals don’t get so busy they have to turn away the urgent patients as well as the non urgent ones.

They’re going to try their road map at the right time rather than us trying it while we’re still in the middle of the pandemic and pretending it’s irreversible.

onthe7thdaygodmadewine · 26/06/2021 12:56

@NannyAndJohn

So case numbers will be censored by the government? A bit 1984.

I think any government can - and will be - selective in terms of how it uses figures depending on the agenda it is trying to push. That's not remotely 1984 it's just the reality of modern government.

Orchidflower1 · 26/06/2021 12:57

Living with Covid in the UK is living with restrictions, living with Covid in Singapore is mass compliance and acknowledgment that it’s for the greater good.

^^ 110%

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PicsInRed · 26/06/2021 12:58

@NannyAndJohn

So case numbers will be censored by the government? A bit 1984.

Or, they'll release us from the intensity of the daily covid updates on tv which is, in itself, literally 1984.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 26/06/2021 13:05

@PicsInRed

We haven't controlled the virus.

We will do, with mass vaccination and this is quite literally the new plan in Singapore. They will allow the virus in, with severe illness and death to be contained by vaccination and overall covid levels reduced through breath testing to gain entry to indoor events and possibly shops. Daily cases will no longer be reported. There's no reason this can't be the outcome here.

It's a really positive step forward and the end of zero covid.

I don’t think that’s going to happen this year without a strict lockdown first tbh.

We’d need to get the cases down from 16,000 a day and doubling every 12 days to at least under 100 a day. We’re probably looking at mud-sept for all over 18s to be 2 weeks past their 2nd jab and that still leaves a huge portion of the population unvaccinated for the virus to spread around. And that’s the best case scenario.

It gets worse if we open up on July 19th and increase the risk of super spreading events or if there’s a new variant that decreases vaccine efficacy further.

PickAChew · 26/06/2021 13:09

Does anyone seriously believe that their plan includes letting us in for a holiday?

Thewiseoneincognito · 26/06/2021 13:24

@PickAChew

Does anyone seriously believe that their plan includes letting us in for a holiday?

They’ll allow us to do fly overs only. Visit Singapore. By air.

ssd · 26/06/2021 13:27

@PickAChew

Does anyone seriously believe that their plan includes letting us in for a holiday?

Totally agree

Who'd want us?

Zoorhik · 26/06/2021 13:35

@Thewiseoneincognito

You only have to read some of the imbeciles on the Mask threads to see how this is a fantasy for the UK. We will never be in a position to do this simply because of of our individualistic tendencies. Singapore has had extremely hard restrictions to keep their cases so low. They have essentially cut themselves off from the world without any regard to the distress it’s caused many families just as NZ did. We have idiots who won’t wear a face mask for ten minutes in a shop who’ll then wonder why we’re back in restrictions come autumn.

Living with Covid in the UK is living with restrictions, living with Covid in Singapore is mass compliance and acknowledgment that it’s for the greater good.

Completely agree. Wise words.

TheKeatingFive · 26/06/2021 13:41

So case numbers will be censored by the government? A bit 1984.

Omg nanny even by your standards this is a ridiculous comment.

Does the government ‘censor’ figures for other illnesses because they don’t announce them on the daily news? Of course not. 😂

What will you do with yourself when Covid is no longer the dominant topic of conversation?

Thewiseoneincognito · 26/06/2021 14:55

@TheKeatingFive

So case numbers will be censored by the government? A bit 1984.

Omg nanny even by your standards this is a ridiculous comment.

Does the government ‘censor’ figures for other illnesses because they don’t announce them on the daily news? Of course not. 😂

What will you do with yourself when Covid is no longer the dominant topic of conversation?

What will you do with yourself K5? You seem to be on these threads almost as much as me. 😆

TheKeatingFive · 26/06/2021 14:59

Probably just devote more time to the wedding/hot tub/shoes on or off threads. It’s gonna be great

Kokeshi123 · 26/06/2021 15:25

All countries will eventually do this. It's just a question of when.