Why is there still talk of further lockdowns?

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I don’t understand this. Yes cases are rising but deaths etc are staying low. We are also flying vaccine programme.

What is going on?

That really is impressively vague. “Why is there talk” of anything? UFOs? Citizens income? World peace? Fire drills?

Are you feeling anxious OP?

@PracticingPerson you're right, I will of course respond to the situation that I find myself in. So maybe quoting someone else saying that there were 'absolutely' no circumstances where I would comply was incorrect. But hopefully you get my jist.

[quote beela]@PracticingPerson you're right, I will of course respond to the situation that I find myself in. So maybe quoting someone else saying that there were 'absolutely' no circumstances where I would comply was incorrect. But hopefully you get my jist.[/quote]
I think we are all struggling to process how little control we have.

I am trying to approach this next winter with an open mind, I think it could be fine, or it could be grim

I think we need to have a conversation on how to allocate health care resources. There are not enough doctors, nurses, beds etc. for everyone all winter. Realistically Covid and flu will overwhelm the ‘normal’ capacity in the winter. So either measures need to be taken to stop spread, particularly to care homes, or we can expect health care for non-flu non-Covid to grind to a halt for 3 months over winter. Tough choices ahead.

It's because some people on MN have absolutely loved wallowing in the drama and misery, and won't know what to do with themselves without lockdowns.They are terrified of returning to their dull lives.

absolutely nothing will stop me from going into my family and friends houses again

Because your friends and family would have no concerns about transmission or serious illness? They would all let you in without question?

@newstart1234

I think we need to have a conversation on how to allocate health care resources. There are not enough doctors, nurses, beds etc. for everyone all winter. Realistically Covid and flu will overwhelm the ‘normal’ capacity in the winter. So either measures need to be taken to stop spread, particularly to care homes, or we can expect health care for non-flu non-Covid to grind to a halt for 3 months over winter. Tough choices ahead.

Oh next winter is different. I should have thought it’s fairly obvious there will be another winter crisis of some magnitude or other before this is completely over. We have NHS bed emergencies even in non-pandemic years. Hopefully everyone will lay in stocks of food and household goods before winter.

@SnowyPetals

It's because some people on MN have absolutely loved wallowing in the drama and misery, and won't know what to do with themselves without lockdowns.They are terrified of returning to their dull lives.

This is such a dull take. Those who have supported isolation/restrictions where necessary are no less or more interesting than those who don't. Othering people this way is unintelligent.

@Getawaywithit

absolutely nothing will stop me from going into my family and friends houses again

Because your friends and family would have no concerns about transmission or serious illness? They would all let you in without question?

Yes, we're having a family party in a couple of weeks for someone's birthday.

Yes, we're having a family party in a couple of weeks for someone's birthday

Next couple of weeks in unlikely to be problematic. However, the idea that you won’t comply with lockdowns should the need arise is one thing, that all your family and friends will do the same is quite another. Arrogance of the highest order.

I saw Susan Hopkins saying lockdowns might be needed in winter. It's an option. We don't know how bad the winter is going to be. Will just have to see how it goes.

@RickiTarr

That really is impressively vague. “Why is there talk” of anything? UFOs? Citizens income? World peace? Fire drills?

Are you feeling anxious OP?

Anxious about what? Covid in general? Not really. I’m anxious about the fact that we seem to be being prepared for the possibility of another lockdown.

It was reported in several online U.K. newspapers. Sorry for the vagueness- it wasn’t my intention but I do have a learning difficulty and leaving out important details is one of my weaknesses - I drive my family up the wall because I only give them half the story and they have to ask further information from me. sorry again

They’re reporting it all ways at once at the moment. It’s speculation. I don’t think we will lockdown again during good weather, though.

There’s a long time lag with Covid, generally 2 weeks from infection to ill, 2 weeks (I think?) hospitalisation and about 2-3 weeks to mortality.

With that in mind I think we are in wait and see territory, how many of the recent infection spike will end up in hosp in a week or so?

What’s not helpful is the mixed messages and speculation, we need clear govt advice and direction that rises above all the ‘noise’. I don’t think that’s happened from the start, bar maybe the clear panic around Dec-Jan.

For the record, I’m not for or against further lockdowns but I do want this to all end.

@Getawaywithit

Yes, we're having a family party in a couple of weeks for someone's birthday

Next couple of weeks in unlikely to be problematic. However, the idea that you won’t comply with lockdowns should the need arise is one thing, that all your family and friends will do the same is quite another. Arrogance of the highest order.

I know my family and friends better than you do.

@RickiTarr
Please don’t start with that stockpiling nonsense

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Oh FGS. Did I say stockpiling? Having a week’s food in the freezer and pantry and some medicines in is sensible.

It’s the people who shop several times a week and don’t keep spares who were panic buying like a swarm of locusts at the start of lockdown 1.

I think we will have one over winter.

There are no plans for a lockdown. There is no way to 100% reassure people there never will be. It’s unlikely though.

The reality that lockdowns were necessary has meant that people will speculate on the possibility of another one. Right now anything you read/see is speculation not certainty. That might change but then we might be invaded by aliens so it’s probably not worth getting carried away with worry or outrage.

Last summer most things were open. Cases then rose in the winter because in part owing to new variants, and largely government indecision and incompetence. Winter sees more illness generally.

So no surprise that some resumption of some restrictions is being talked about. Speculation of course. Then there are as some have noted, those who are pessimists.

Susan Hopkins (one of Boris’ chosen scientists) at the weekend said that further lockdowns “could not be ruled out”

We are being primed for it already. Enjoy what we have now, people.

Yes, Ive literally been trying to enjoy my current freedom as much as possible while I can.

Assuming everyone else is too, means we are probably adding to the issue 😳

If only this govt was more proactive (shutting borders, xmas clusterfuck etc) we would be in a better position.

I’m worried re the ascot/football scenes last week, though hopeful the vaccines will stop spread/lockdowns.

Rick…You said ‘stocks of food’ which sounds a bit like we should prepare for siege warfare. No one really needs to do this, it creates hysteria and panic as we have seen happen. Nothing ran out last lock down. Mumsnet is full of this rubbish.

@PracticingPerson
"This is such a dull take. Those who have supported isolation/restrictions where necessary are no less or more interesting than those who don't. Othering people this way is unintelligent."

I didn't say those who have been following the guidelines are dull. I said those who have been positively wallowing in it on MN seem to be terrified of returning to normal and seem to have been loving the lockdown. That's why on MN they love talking about more lockdowns. I wouldn't call that take on the situation "unintelligent". Maybe you don't agree but that doesn't make me stupid.