Will dc still have to isolate next academic year?

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By then all teachers and parents will have been double vaccinated (unless they’ve chosen not to). After this the disruption to education can surely no longer be justified.

How does anyone know

There have been no announcements of the ending of quarantine/SI.

Just as you have to quarantine for certain notifiable diseases, I think the requirement will probably continue indefinitely, but over time there will be different rules about what counts as a close contact. The person with the positive case will always have to isolate (like you do for eg measles, or chicken pox)

Lord only knows what will happen.

I’m pretty sure the vaccine isn’t as effective against the Delta variant (still very very good though I’m really pleased I’ve been double vaccinated).
I have a horrid feeling autumn and winter are going to be very disrupted.

Really hope not I’m currently trying to teach to 15 kids in class and 15 kids at home at the same time. It’s like trying to juggle 5 balls when you can just about manage to juggle 3.

No announcements have been made but I can’t see it stopping on September 1st, no.

If hospitals ultimately stay low, NHS can cope, ethically it isn't right to lock away healthy people for days on end.

If it continues into September doesn’t that mean it’s going to carry on forever and vaccinations have changed absolutely nothing? If we have to carry on with the restrictions what was the point? I’m thoroughly depressed.

It's all very different from the start of the pandemic when people were horrified at the loss of liberty, happy to accept very short term measures on the understanding that after that we would have to love our lives.
Now we have a vaccine and yet we're still, as a nation, incredibly hesitant.

I agree - what’s the point if we can’t just move on?? Once everyone who wants it/can have it have had the vaccine, why on Earth would we still be isolating people? We don’t do it for any other disease. Especially one that for 99% of people isn’t even an issue. I genuinely don’t understand.

If people say ‘it’s to protect those people who can’t be vaccinated’ then that’s madness - the whole world can’t constantly have their lives disrupted forever due to the odd few they might infect. Sounds harsh, but it’s true. We don’t do it for any other illness so we can’t do it for this either.

If you catch covid you are a lot less likely to have it again. It gives a much better immunity than the vaccine. So once everyone has been vaccinated and have had 3 weeks for it to kick in. We let it run (with some isolating etc so it’s not overwhelming for the NHS) and get heard immunity. Then we can reduce all measures.

If it continues into September doesn’t that mean it’s going to carry on forever and vaccinations have changed absolutely nothing

Vaccinations should massively bring down the death rate and hospitalisations. That’s not nothings, it’s huge.

At some point we need to live with Covid circulating. So we will have to stop sending kids home to isolate. I personally think (just an opinion, so probably wrong) autumn will still have lots of restrictions. But kids isolating won’t last forever.

@StealthPolarBear I’m still horrified at the loss of liberty - on a daily basis. I can’t get over how people have just got on with it - I’m internally raging & furious every day at how awful things are now. I’ve lost thousands of pounds from my business, my children’s lives have been hugely disrupted, I’m so angry all the time. I hate it.

It has to stop it just has too! All adults will be double vaccinated by then there's really no justification for close contacts to isolate in any situation not just in schools. Children are missing valuable education time i know they are provided with on line school work but it is absolutely not the same or as productive as being in the classroom not to mention parents having to take time off work unpaid each time a bubble bursts

I hope any under 18 who wants the vaccine will be able to have it before too long, as well-I would imagine that will helps schools return to ‘normal’.

I can’t see it being scrapped by September, it’s not just children who isolate but adults as well as track and trace hasn’t been mentioned as going yet.
Schools should now be used to switching between home and on site learning so no loss of education has to occur.

Whilst test and trace is still in operation across the country with adults at work/out and about, I don’t think it should stop in schools.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

I can’t see it being scrapped by September, it’s not just children who isolate but adults as well as track and trace hasn’t been mentioned as going yet. Schools should now be used to switching between home and on site learning so no loss of education has to occur.

How on earth can it not occur for primary children, particularly younger ones, where they need a lot of supervision and their parents work? Fed up of the minimising and/or assuming there is a parent sat at home to pick up the pieces.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

I can’t see it being scrapped by September, it’s not just children who isolate but adults as well as track and trace hasn’t been mentioned as going yet. Schools should now be used to switching between home and on site learning so no loss of education has to occur.

Easier for secondary students not so easy for primary students

I'm wondering if any allowances will be made for next years GCSEs/A levels. As in the quantity and content rather than whether they can sit an actual exam, which I dont expect them to predict.

My DD is year 10 and although I was impressed at the school delivering a full online timetable over lock down earlier this year, there were still some things that were not equal to being at school. (And this isnt a criticism of teachers btw) No group discussion with peers, working at things in pairs, ability to spontaneously ask a question in class. One (quite lengthy) piece of english work completed in February is still awaiting marking or feedback because the teacher is dealing with year 11 and 13 work for GCSE and A, level. Artwork was limited to the space and materials a pupil had access to at home rather than a range of media available at school. In media studies, school has computers with far better capabilities than our chrome book at home etc etc
On top of that if there are likely to be more isolations, then it really cant be compared to the experience of the year 10-11 cohort from 3 or 4 years ago.(I really feel for this years year 11s because much of year 10 and year 11 has been disrupted)

So this is it forever now is it? We seem to be piling rules on top of rules.
If you'd said this would still be the case with vaccines and extensive testing including asymptomatic testing we would never have believed it.
Hanging onto hope that once all over 18s vaccinated life will be more 'normal' for our children.

We don't know but I hope not the case.

@Oldpeoplesprinting

I agree - what’s the point if we can’t just move on?? Once everyone who wants it/can have it have had the vaccine, why on Earth would we still be isolating people? We don’t do it for any other disease. Especially one that for 99% of people isn’t even an issue. I genuinely don’t understand.

If people say ‘it’s to protect those people who can’t be vaccinated’ then that’s madness - the whole world can’t constantly have their lives disrupted forever due to the odd few they might infect. Sounds harsh, but it’s true. We don’t do it for any other illness so we can’t do it for this either.

Except the over 50,000 CEV children in the UK who are in schools can't be vaccinated yet. So yes once everyone who wants vaccinated can have it then I agree that we need to remove isolation but until this government decides to offer it to children then how can we?

The person with the positive case will always have to isolate (like you do for eg measles, or chicken pox)

There is no requirement in the UK to isolate for the measles or chickenpox (you should certainly not go to school with them of course, but there's no legal restriction on leaving your house), and certainly no requirement for close contacts without anything.

@jumpbounce
Except the over 50,000 CEV children in the UK
Really hope these children are offered the vaccination soon.

I really hope not. Tbe disruption to kids cannot carry on. So all double vaccination people dont need to isolate (they are saying this is being considered)but kids still will...totally unacceptable.

@solarlights

If it continues into September doesn’t that mean it’s going to carry on forever and vaccinations have changed absolutely nothing? If we have to carry on with the restrictions what was the point? I’m thoroughly depressed.

it's quite the leap from it continuing into September meaning it will carry on forever. It might have to - but that doesn't mean forever at all. I imagine it will depend on figures over the next couple of months. Hopefully the huge amount of vaccinated people will mean that we really have a grip on it but then we need to consider what it means for the disease to be harboured in a large group of unvaccinated people - ie children - and how that affects things like vaccine escape.

It feels a bit pointless to speculate but I do get a bit annoyed at the suggestion that any extension of restrictions means that it's all going to go on forever, when that's just not what anyone is saying or intimating.