Vaccines 'highly effective' at reducing Delta hospitalisations [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

[TheVampiresWife]

Excellent news and brilliantly reassuring figures!

I've always said as long as the vaccination means no hospitalisation I don't mind catching it (I was Group 6 vulnerable)...so great news!

@wheresmymojo

I've always said as long as the vaccination means no hospitalisation I don't mind catching it (I was Group 6 vulnerable)...so great news!

Group 6 here, too, and fully jabbed.

It's a massive relief!

Very good news if true. I'd still like to know the vaccine breakdown for the 30% of Delta strain deaths that were double vaccinated. Which vaccines?

Also if any particular underlying conditions are less protected by the vaccines. 30% seems rather high to me. People have the right to know if they're likely to be at increased risk even when fully vaccinated.

Do we know yet if vaccines protect against Long Covid? If not, we'll have to wait for the herd immunity of majority population vaccinated to lower that risk (through limited opportunity for transmission).

Let’s hope these figures hold out over the coming weeks as the numbers get higher. The efficacy figures seem to change daily so I suppose the true test will come in the next few weeks if the case numbers continue to increase and the other metrics remain stable.

BoJo was explicit in saying the vulnerable and elderly may still be at risk despite vaccination so please continue being cautious.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-30-those-dying-delta-20812363

If 30% of those dying of the delta variant have been double vaccinated, then how can a vaccine protect 100% against hospitalisation?? Assuming that most who die were already hospitalised, or were those 30% people who suddenly died at home or am I missing something?! Or were those double-vaccinated deaths all within the unfortunate tiny margin of error, meaning a huge number of people have caught the delta variant in order for all of those deaths to fall within the predictable margin of vaccine failures?

Loads of things don't make any sense.

Even the stats in the article above don't correspond to the ones in the original link. It seems like journalists are simply making stuff up as they go along without bothering to cross check their sources or what other media outlets are printing.

@Tealightsandd

Very good news if true. I'd still like to know the vaccine breakdown for the 30% of Delta strain deaths that were double vaccinated. Which vaccines?

As only 12 deaths at the moment I am not sure it would tell us much. The numbers are to small. Eventually yes it would be interesting.

User3253465621 There’s just been a virologist on the news saying this figure needs much more investigation before they can say the vaccine is effective. He said 30%

Was quite a high figure

The 30% is out of the number of people that have dead. So 12 people that are fully vaccinated

@User3253465621

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/nearly-30-those-dying-delta-20812363

If 30% of those dying of the delta variant have been double vaccinated, then how can a vaccine protect 100% against hospitalisation?? Assuming that most who die were already hospitalised, or were those 30% people who suddenly died at home or am I missing something?! Or were those double-vaccinated deaths all within the unfortunate tiny margin of error, meaning a huge number of people have caught the delta variant in order for all of those deaths to fall within the predictable margin of vaccine failures?

Loads of things don't make any sense.

Even the stats in the article above don't correspond to the ones in the original link. It seems like journalists are simply making stuff up as they go along without bothering to cross check their sources or what other media outlets are printing.

Because there is still a tiny, tiny minority for whom vaccines won't work. Perhaps underlying conditions/advanced age are a factor. Either way, of death occurs in 30% of the 4% hospitalised, that's still an incredibly low number compared to deaths previously. I'd imagine almost all died in hospital?

What's clear is that there is a high level of protection against serious illness from vaccinations and that's got to be good news.

@TruelyonelastSchlep

The 30% is out of the number of people that have dead. So 12 people that are fully vaccinated

Exactly.

Some posts on here are incredibly misleading, making it sound as if 30% of doubly vaccinated people die of Delta.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

User3253465621 There’s just been a virologist on the news saying this figure needs much more investigation before they can say the vaccine is effective. He said 30%

30% effective against infection, not hospitalisation.

The expected deaths if the priority list was not mostly double dosed would have been 570 apparently. This is worked out from the number of delta cases plus the number of hospitalisations.

So 12 is not a high figure at all.

I want good news but I don't want false complacency - because that can kill (or leave people with long term illness).

It seems quite high to me. 30% of those who died were double vaccinated. Boris apparently saying elderly AND vulnerable double vaccinated might still be at risk?

People need to know their level of risk. Is it all vulnerable? Or certain conditions more than others, i.e. diabetes?

Millions of people of working age are clinically vulnerable. They have a right to know their risk.

We need to know which vaccines were given to those who died, particularly the double vaccinated. If one is less effective, we should be looking to get boosters of another (especially to over 40s and the vulnerable) asap.

Also, it's not just about hospitalisations and death. Long Covid risk remains. It can cause organ damage, trigger diabetes. We should all remain cautious until more people are fully vaccinated.

What is the data from other countries?

Israel has the highest number of fully vaccinated? I think UAE is quite high too?

I don't know how closely we can compare because both those countries used Pfizer and on the 3 week dosing schedule, and I'm not sure if they have many Delta cases. But it might help to look at their figures to get an idea?

India? How are things going there? I think they were mostly using AZ (or their own version of it).