What happened with that clubbing experiment in Liverpool?

[Dustyboots]

And there was a football match experiment there too wasn't there?

Nothing has been reported about the results of either of them.

I wonder if they both contributed to the massive growth in cases in the UK at the moment ...

I'm just watching a Newsnight report that says lateral flow tests should be thrown in the bin, they're so useless. Weren't they testing people with these before and after the Liverpool events?

Because it hasn’t been sung from the media rooftops like the good news that it is! But then, that’s hardly surprising, must keep the fear and confusion in place to achieve maximum acceptance of continued restrictions…

@Citycat1

How effective are lateral flow tests? Me and my family have a nasty virus with some covid symptoms. (Fever, sore throat, phlegm producing cough) I have lateral flow tests at home. All are coming back negative. Anyone got them and had false negatives?

I can’t believe people are still asking this. There’s a reason you are asked to take a PCR if you have symptoms. And you have two.

A friend worked on one of the events, she said the results were way better than they'd hoped for and she was sad but not surprised that this was barely reported.

Her test was not an LF test. I can't remember what it was though.

I don't know the capacity at Edgbaston so not sure how full it will be with 18,000 people

Crowd capacity at Edgebaston is 25,000. Aim is to have it running at 70%. I wonder if that's be the target figure for all outdoors crowds?

The current plans for Wembley range between 25-50%

It does look as if there will be limits on size of crowds at organised events, and it could be anywhere between 25-70%, based on what they're trialling and what's going ahead at the moment. I expect higher outdoors and lower indoors

I’m from the north west and saw articles a couple of weeks back that stated the low covid rate from the Liverpool events so it was absolutely published. However apparently quite a large percentage didn’t do day 5 tests so who knows if more were positive . It didn’t seem to cause a spike in Liverpool and seemed a success. Cases were very low then. It’s such a shame as it seemed like we were going to be able to get these things up and running again. Then enter the Indian/delta variant.

However It doesn’t seem like the delta variant is spreading there yet. I think the test events currently happening across the country will be more telling, cases are higher, more people.

I read a thread about countries abroad and their measures and it seems like some places have events running currently but at less capacity. But it’s all so varied.

I’m going to text event next weekend. Download music festival over 3 days with a 10K capacity.
PCR test on the Friday morning and on the following Friday and an LFT test with negative result needed to get in.

Once in no masks and no social distancing.

Can’t wait!

I wonder what they will do with tickets if large events can go ahead but only say at half capacity as a lot of events have sold to people on a full capacity basis before Covid and have been postponed. We have got tickets for postponed concerts but I would have thought it very unlikely they will be allowed full capacity anytime soon so I wonder how they would choose who would go.

That sounds good news. I'd not heard that either.

Every single person DIED OP. They are buried in a mass grave just outside Guildford.

@DirectionsForUse

They were a resounding success so of no interest at all to the media

Exactly but the media and some on here just don’t want to hear it . And all this rubbish that lateral tests are rubbish . In my experience and others that I know they work and I’m happy to continue rather than have restrictions and lockdown but you do as you do .

@Citycat1

How effective are lateral flow tests? Me and my family have a nasty virus with some covid symptoms. (Fever, sore throat, phlegm producing cough) I have lateral flow tests at home. All are coming back negative. Anyone got them and had false negatives?

Get PCR tests

The problem with test events is that they are only relevant as a snapshot to the level of community infections prevailing at their time. Which for the Sefton and clubbing one was very low. Download will be interesting though. If it passes whatever metrics that have been decided then Melvin Benn gets to do Latitude - the build of which I believe has already begun.

@Temp023

Agree also with the op that said they were a success so not great click bait for the media.

@Donatella Have a great time, you’re defo more clued up that me - I do listen properly to DH sometimes

I’d assumed the Liverpool events were a success too. You can bet your life that if there had been any kind of mass infection we’d know about it.

How does it work with the negative LFT for entry to an event? Is it self administered and the result trusted or are they done at the venue by a third party?

@NannyAndJohn

We've heard jack shit.

Which probably means that the experiments didn't give the result the government wanted and hence they don't want Joe Public knowing the truth.

It’s been reported, here;

Covid: No detectable spread of virus after Liverpool pilot events.

Trial events held in Liverpool to test Covid-19 transmission did not cause any detectable spread of the virus, the city's health chief has said.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-57249289

And all this rubbish that lateral tests are rubbish

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/us-health-agency-gives-innova-lateral-flow-covid-tests-scathing-review

"The US Food and Drug Agency (FDA) has raised significant concerns about the rapid Covid test on which the UK government has based its multibillion-pound mass testing programme.

In a scathing review, the US health agency suggested the performance of the test had not been established, presenting a risk to health, and that the tests should be thrown in the bin or returned to the California-based manufacturer Innova."

@noblegiraffe

And all this rubbish that lateral tests are rubbish

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/11/us-health-agency-gives-innova-lateral-flow-covid-tests-scathing-review

"The US Food and Drug Agency (FDA) has raised significant concerns about the rapid Covid test on which the UK government has based its multibillion-pound mass testing programme.

In a scathing review, the US health agency suggested the performance of the test had not been established, presenting a risk to health, and that the tests should be thrown in the bin or returned to the California-based manufacturer Innova."

Ok like I’ve said in my experience and others they work they’ve picked up positive without symptoms . Without the tests we would of carried on spreading Covid , but like I say you do as you do . I’ll go with my experience you go with some article in the guardian .

Do you not know who the FDA are?

And how is it spreading so much in the UK as a whole but not at these events

Because the majority of spread is in households and hospitals.

This week, finally and criminally late, PHE have demanded that hospitals start tracking those positive Covid patients within their hospitals by whether they arrived with it, or caught it on site whilst there for something else.

You can bet your arse, if there had been a big increase in cases because of the experiment, we’d sure as hell know about it.

God forbid we should have reports of good news.

@BigWoollyJumpers how will they know definitely that they caught it in hospital. Will they only report people who tested positive after 10 days in hospital, as you can be incubating it for a number of days without giving a positive result in those days

I’m attending a music festival next weekend which is a government test as well.

Download festival, 10k capacity.

And how is it spreading so much in the UK as a whole but not at these events

Because people were tested beforehand and you do actually have to have it before you can spread it?

Am I missing something?

I would assume if you had a LFT you weren't allowed into this mass event?

Therefore it would be expected there were no asymptomatic people entering?

So surely these tests are more about the accuracy of LFT and using them in future to access mass events rather than the spread in an event?

I'm pretty sure the ethics committee wouldn't allow a "let's see how far covid spread sun an event with known positives" test!

I do know there are trials where people have volunteered to be exposed to the virus though.