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to think this would help with vaccine hesitancy.

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MercyBooth · 30/05/2021 18:19

Bad reactions to the vaccine are quite rare. So how about putting emotional, practical and financial support in place for those who DO have a bad reaction to the vaccine. I think for many the big fear is being left to get on with it if they have an adverse reaction rather than the adverse reaction itself. Its what happened with some NHS workers and the swine flu vaccines. As the reactions are quite rare the above suggestions shouldnt cost much. I think this would help immensely.

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newnortherner111 · 30/05/2021 18:49

I agree. Not holding out much hope though.

Ostara212 · 30/05/2021 19:09

What kind of reaction are you talking about?

My parents had one friend who had a blood clot. It was generally terrifying. She's retired so I suppose you'd offer compensation but how does that help?

Let people decide. I don't like the idea of trying to overcome serious concerns with money. Slippery slope.

guesswhatteapot · 30/05/2021 19:13

That's never going to happen especially when the vaccine manufacturers have protection from possibly being sued if anyone does suffer a bad reaction.

SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 30/05/2021 19:14

I think awareness of what to do if you have a bad reaction is always a good start. The leaflet you get with the vaccine tells you what symptoms to look out for and to call 111, and if more information was publicised about what would happen to you, and how you could get support, people would possibly seek help sooner.

And actually I’ve had really good post-vaccine care so I know it’s possible! I was fine after my vaccine, had a weird reaction a couple of weeks later that could have been related to blood clots or could have been related to an underlying condition I have. I went into hospital and had the d dimer blood test (amongst other things!), tested negative so they knew it wasn’t clots, diagnosed me with and sent me home. From talking to the consultant, she seemed fairly confident from the start that it was my underlying condition and not blood clots, but was more than happy to run the test for blood clots to rule it out, as I’d had the vaccine recently.

I would tell anyone that was worried about painful headaches, shortness of breath or abdominal pain to contact 111 or go to your local hospital. They will take it seriously and give you a blood test to rule out blood clots.

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MercyBooth · 30/05/2021 19:15

@Ostara212 Im sorry if it came across that way. All i meant was to have something like this in place would help allay some peoples fears.

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SomeKindOfFloppyWeirdo · 30/05/2021 19:17

Mercy I think you’re probably talking about long-term/long-lasting bad reactions rather than potentially short term like mine, and absolutely agree that support should exist and be accessible.

I just wanted to reassure people too that if they are worried that they have symptoms of blood clots, they can go to hospital for a simple blood test that will tell you within hours if you have clots/risk of clots or not, and can treat you if you do. The important thing is to be aware of these symptoms and don’t be afraid of seeking help.

moregarlic · 30/05/2021 19:19

Who will fund that? The manufacturers have indemnity and the government will offer a maximum of £125k.

As an aside, I hate the term vaccine hesitant. It’s patronising and in many cases wildly inaccurate.

PurpleRainDancer · 30/05/2021 19:19

@Ostara212

What kind of reaction are you talking about?

My parents had one friend who had a blood clot. It was generally terrifying. She's retired so I suppose you'd offer compensation but how does that help?

Let people decide. I don't like the idea of trying to overcome serious concerns with money. Slippery slope.

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MercyBooth · 30/05/2021 19:23

One of the problems we have had in this pandemic is people in low paid jobs not being able to afford to self isolate and this has been for relatively short periods each time. So surely it follows that many wont want to risk a short term reaction to the vaccine either. If they cant afford one then they cant afford the other.

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moregarlic · 30/05/2021 19:31

This attitude is so condescending and inaccurate.

“I think we need to avoid the trap of thinking that information or knowledge is enough, because for a lot of the people, and when you look at hesitancy and parental vaccine hesitancy in the US, the group who is most likely to purposefully choose to not vaccinate are highly educated.
In speaking with them, these are people who have read the primary literature themselves, and they’re correctly interpreting it, so it’s not a misunderstanding. They have other concerns that go beyond the traditional public health message of, ‘This is what you should be doing’”
– Emily Brunson, MPH, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Anthropology at Texas State University

Source: covid19vaccinescommunicationprinciples.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Vaccine-Comms-Principles.pdf

Tealightsandd · 30/05/2021 19:33

There should be proper support for any health issue that leaves someone in need.

That includes a rare bad vaccine reaction and (much more common than vaccine issues) Long Covid.

You're right there's insufficient support for illness and disability. Whatever the cause. That needs to change.

IGetOver · 30/05/2021 19:46

People are scared of clots, no amount of support is likely to ease that. I had my first dose just before the clot information came out, I had the worst headache of my life after the vaccine, now I know headaches can be a warning sign I’m hesitant to have my second dose as how will I know if it’s the same again or possibly deadly?

Ostara212 · 30/05/2021 19:47

[quote MercyBooth]@Ostara212 Im sorry if it came across that way. All i meant was to have something like this in place would help allay some peoples fears.[/quote]
I think it would increase them

Of course, if there was a proper compensation package to sue...

One of the worst things apparently was that no one cared re this retired lady. She's in her 60s, fit and well before this, and pretty much lives in a few mile radius of the village coming into contact with very few people.

Last I saw her, she was clinging to her husband and dragging her leg. Obviously she was treated but she said the hospital staff were saying "oh, we know how to fix this, but you are protected from covid now".

I'm lucky, my age group will get a different one. I wasn't paying much attention but I'm starting to think I won't get it. We'll just get more stories as the newer ones come out.

I'm reading the Laura D book and she made a point I had puzzled over. Business continuity planning is normally about keeping going. I don't want to pay more tax because someone needs to isolate because they were designated a close contact, especially if it's via an algorithm.

We have too little support for sick people and way too much devoted to well people. Let's not make that problem worse.

MareofBeasttown · 30/05/2021 19:50

I do not believe there is as much vaccine hesitancy in the real world as there is on Mumsnet.

Hotpinkangel19 · 30/05/2021 19:55

My husband had the Pfizer vaccine last Saturday. On Wednesday he woke up with all the symptoms of a PE. D dimer came back high. He's now on blood thinners. We didn't even think it could be connected to the vaccine he had 4 days earlier until he was asked by the doctor treating him if he'd recently had a COVID vaccine.

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MercyBooth · 30/05/2021 19:56

@Ostara212 Agreed. Im reading the same book

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Tealightsandd · 30/05/2021 20:11

@IGetOver

People are scared of clots, no amount of support is likely to ease that. I had my first dose just before the clot information came out, I had the worst headache of my life after the vaccine, now I know headaches can be a warning sign I’m hesitant to have my second dose as how will I know if it’s the same again or possibly deadly?
If they're scared of clots I'd assume they'll get jabbed. Covid is up to 10 times more likely to cause clotting than rare vaccine side effects.
Tealightsandd · 30/05/2021 20:13

@MareofBeasttown

I do not believe there is as much vaccine hesitancy in the real world as there is on Mumsnet.
I've been wondering if MN and Facebook use causes vaccine side effects. Maybe via some kind of microchip?
Hummingbirdblue · 30/05/2021 20:20

Have you had the vaccine yet OP?

Just curious. Because I wasn't reluctant to have it. Then I did and felt like absolute shit for two weeks. For all of those telling me it's better than covid, I've successfully avoided catching covid for 18 months. A measly couple of hundred quid is not worth my health.

Ostara212 · 30/05/2021 20:26

[quote MercyBooth]@Ostara212 Agreed. Im reading the same book[/quote]
I'm confused

Why are you concerned about hesitancy, and especially as we are reading the same book, would you trust any carrots offered?

I had forgotten at the start of this, my age group wasn't even meant to be jabbed - before the reopening that clearly isn't going to happen. I suspect vax for 20s and 30s is how they hope to roll out an ID scheme.

Ostara212 · 30/05/2021 20:29

@Hummingbirdblue

Have you had the vaccine yet OP?

Just curious. Because I wasn't reluctant to have it. Then I did and felt like absolute shit for two weeks. For all of those telling me it's better than covid, I've successfully avoided catching covid for 18 months. A measly couple of hundred quid is not worth my health.

Sorry that happened to you. i hope you are 100% now.

Do you mind if I ask your age? I will be well pissed off I miss two weeks of summer for something that should be mild for me on the low chance I even catch it.

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MercyBooth · 30/05/2021 20:30

@Tealightsandd Why is vaccine reaction denial okay?

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Tealightsandd · 30/05/2021 20:32

@MercyBooth
It isn't.

ijustgiveup · 30/05/2021 20:34

I'm pregnant so I'm not having it. Even when I have my baby I won't be having it.
I think it's a personal choice and I'm far from an anti vac

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MercyBooth · 30/05/2021 20:35

@Ostara212 I dont trust any carrots offered. Its possible to be on the left and still object to how the Government has used fear tactics.

The fact that poorer people are expected to do things for the greater good and the community (possibly to their own financial detriment as in cant pay their rent or council tax) does not sit well at all. Because the community rhetoric only seems to count when its Covid.

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