Why are the deaths from covid more tragic than the deaths from blood clots via the vaccine?

[Queenofclubs]

Can someone help to explain this to me?

So, at one point, just one death from covid was one too many, even if it was somebody over 80. Now some young people are dying from blood clots due to the vaccine, like that female news reporter. And people seem to shrug their shoulders and say things like “It’s for the greater good. I hope it doesn’t put YOU off having your vaccine”
The whole thing is utterly insulting and completely bizarre.

I'm at a loss as to where to even start with your question.

I'm at a loss too. Think there are some massive gaps in your logic.

Please explain .... because the general consensus is that deaths caused by the vaccine are acceptable, because people should ‘take one for the team’. Or some similar sickening logic.

That's the opposite of how it seems to me.

What exactly are you wanting to get out of this thread OP?

Can you count? 150,000 versus what? I think 150,000 is tragic enough on it's own. It is the volume that is tragic not the type.

No deaths are acceptable. Not one of them but they will happen no matter what anyone does.

If we sit back and don't do anything about covid, thousands more will die.

If we vaccinate, yes there will be deaths from the vaccine (as there are from paracetamol, ibuprofen, mouthwash or anything medical) but the overall death toll will be less.

It's the better of the two situations.

@Houseofvelour

No deaths are acceptable. Not one of them but they will happen no matter what anyone does.

If we sit back and don't do anything about covid, thousands more will die.

If we vaccinate, yes there will be deaths from the vaccine (as there are from paracetamol, ibuprofen, mouthwash or anything medical) but the overall death toll will be less.

It's the better of the two situations.

And before I get the "who tf dies from mouthwash?" comments, someone had an allergic reaction to Cordosyl years ago and passed away. It happens.

@Queenofclubs

Please explain .... because the general consensus is that deaths caused by the vaccine are acceptable, because people should ‘take one for the team’. Or some similar sickening logic.

I haven't seen that sentiment expressed anywhere.

What did you expect to get out of this thread? If you don't want to take up the vaccine due to scaremongering, then don't.

Sometimes you have to choose the better of two shit things. It doesn’t mean one is fine and the other isn’t.

Welcome to Mumsnet.

It's not which is more tragic or not, both sad to happen.
But the fact that the chances of virus itself causing the blot clot is way higher than the vaccine, I just wonder those who has rare side effects would get it from actual virus too, if they contracted covid.

I think people talk about "needless" deaths and the idea that if Covid had been handled differently there would have been less deaths.

Individually the deaths following vaccines are tragic. On a population level there will be many more deaths if we don't vaccinate than if we do, including young people and children.

Vaccination programs cause harm (E.g. allergic reactions), we know that, they just cause much much less harm than not having them.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

What did you expect to get out of this thread? If you don't want to take up the vaccine due to scaremongering, then don't.

Good lord. People get so het up about vaccination talk. Anything slightly critical is scaremongering 🙄.

OP, the reports on covid deaths were largely about the sheer numbers of deaths from the virus. There weren't articles about singular deaths (e.g. 80 year old Betty). I don't think the deaths from covid are/were being angled as more tragic, just quite frightening as it appeared to be ravaging populations. A report on a singular person dying doesn't have the same emotive wffect as millions of people dying. I think you're looking more at how people have reeacted emotionally to each reports (perhaps comments sections) rather than the reports themselves.

Op, the point is that covid has killed at least 127,000 people in the U.K. and only about three quarters of the population has antibodies so far.

50 million people have had a vaccine with 41 deaths.

So risk from covid -127,000 deaths out of 67 million
Risk from vaccine - 41 deaths out of 50million.

No death is more tragic than another. Just that the vaccine is infinitely safer than the disease.

I agree, OP.

The young people being killed by this vaccine are vanishingly unlikely to have died from Covid. Why are we ok with this?

And why on earth are we even vaguely considering vaccinating children, when any risk at all that comes from the vaccine is likely to be higher than their risk of Covid?!

In almost every other developed country, the poor BBC presenter wouldn't have been given the vaccine that took her life.

It blows my mind that people are willing to turn a blind eye or say 'how sad' at best to the deaths of healthy young people because they are so desperate to eradicate a virus that the vulnerable are nearly all vaccinated against.

No death is more tragic than another. Just that the vaccine is infinitely safer than the disease.

Not necessarily. Not for anyone under 40, for example, and many other countries believe not for anyone under 55.

I agree with you OP, even though I will still probably have my vaccine.

It's very easy for the posters whom havent died from a blood clot due to the vaccine, so tell others who may do, that it's an acceptable risk and they should take it.

When it's their own lives on the line and they've developed a blood clot due to it, they may not be quite so high and mighty about it. I don't want to die for a vaccine, I love my life. I don't want to die of covid either. Difference is there's no guarantee I will catch covid, there is a guarantee of the risk of the vaccine, if you have it, however.

It's a personal choice and given poor people have lost their very important individual lives over a fucking vaccine, I judge no one for their personal choices regarding their body.

I had this thought yesterday. If you so much as mention a vaccine related death you're accused of being anti-vax. The deaths are glossed over. I see them as COVID deaths just the same as the other COVID deaths.

I do know what you mean OP. Posters on this thread are arguing that it’s the volume of Covid deaths that is the tragedy, not the nature of each individual death - but I’ve heard/read countless times on all sorts of media platforms the position you stated above, that ‘one death from Covid is one too many’, whereas this doesn’t seem to be applied equally to the vaccine.

There was a particularly abhorrent post I read on here yesterday along the lines of ‘I’m sure Lisa Shaw (BBC presenter who died) would be pleased that she’d done something for the greater good’. I can’t even begin to comprehend how people would think like this.

I’m pro-vaccine and have had my first AZ dose but the situation as regards the balance of risks in healthy younger people is much more nuanced than many on MN would have you believe. Sadly though it seems nuanced discussion isn’t possible though when it comes to vaccines.

Personally I believe that the U.K. should have moved in line with other developed countries and banned the AZ vaccine for the under 50s. I also won’t be in any hurry to have my DD vaccinated if and when they start rolling the vaccine program out to children.

Because the media have whipped up Covid into a massive fear exercise to ensure that everyone is "compliant" with rules and regs. For whoever said "no deaths are acceptable" - really? We all die, that is the only sure and certain thing in life. People die, lots of older people have died from covid (or more aptly for most perhaps, with covid).

The media have led this. They have also led the "everyone must get vaccinated" guided by the government. So whilst before it was "everyone who is elderly and/or vulnerable must get vaccinated" now it is everyone must get vaccinated so we're down playing ANY side affects from the vaccine. You see so many posters on here "I felt desperately ill after having the vaccine but still so pleased I had it". Why pleased? A third of people have covid with NO SYMPTOMS apparently. It seems completely crackers to me.

So, yes OP, I agree with you, I don't know why they are more tragic, but Covid deaths are portrayed as more tragic than death from almost anything else. It's baffling.