How much data (and how long for) would you need to support vaccination of school children?

[Lucidas]

I’m just curious.

The US vaccinated 600,000 12-15 year olds last week (about 3.5% of that age range). The attitude over there seems very different to what I see here, with a lot of enthusiasm for vaccinating young teens.

I assume that number will be up in the millions before long. Would that reassure you or not? (assuming no adverse effects)

Lala134 did you read in the OP that 600,000 children received the jab in the US last week? Is that a better number for you?

I would vaccinate my 4 year old today if it was possible. I am a trial participant myself and would have no worries with them having the vaccine.

@Lala134

I'm horrified that people are ok giving children a vaccine with new technology (mNra) that has only been tested on 1000 kids. What if in every 1001 is a fatal side effect? You are ok rolling that out to millions? Knowing that most kids including those vulnerable on average are at 0.0002% risk of death? This forum is crazy

What's crazy is that you continue to spout utter drivel, and yet Mumsnet condone it.

There are mass protests against vaccinating children in USA.

Let's see how successful that offer is in about... 8 weeks?
My guess is will plateau at ~60% uptake.

DS already had it.

I just want schools back to normal, without masks, without constant threat or realisation of 10-day whole-year-group isolations, which have just started to happen again. Without the year group segregation that means DS not able to go in the library all year. Not able to do any work experience that would support university applications. Not able to do volunteering that would support university applications. Latter 2 only available to those with the right connections, so further barriers to poorer kids getting into competitive uni courses.

Plus 2 vaccinations means you can travel (within restrictions) abroad, but still have to do 10-day isolations if someone in the year gets Covid.

I would welcome some consistency in policies about vaccinations. Either it protects against transmission or it doesn't

Can't have one rule for foreign holidays and another for schools.

Obviously vaccinations massively reduce transmission (even if they don't eliminate it totally). Schools should start keeping track of who has been vaccinated in 16-18 year olds and adapt policies accordingly.

Covid: WHO urges Wales to delay giving children jabs

They seem to be thinking about doing 12-16 year odls in Wales later in the year - I think if the US is doing large numbers in that cohort then any risks should be more known and the experts here will weigh in with risk/benefit calculations and I'd be happier.

I really would like their schools/colleges to be as normal as possible in September.

My children have had all their vaccines and more (for example, have also had BCG and Hep A and Hep B) but the mRNA vaccine I am nervous about. 1. Because my DD will be in one of the youngest categories and has a small frame/quite low weight and 2. Because I have had bad side effects from the Pfizer vaccine. High temperature both times for 2-3 days and not quite right for a whole 2 weeks and the 2nd time I had an instantaneous reaction of high blood pressure, shaky, dizzy, feeling faint etc and had to lie down at the test centre and be monitored by the doctor. She told me the dose is the same for everyone and I also have a slight frame. My body went into some sort of overdrive. I have had lots of vaccines due to travel including yellow fever, malaria tablets and that was the worst experience I had. So unless there is a variant that affects children worse or they are not allowed to go to school, I am reluctant for my DD and DS to have it until they are older.

I think it’s unnecessary. We should be prioritising vaccinating higher risk adults in other countries.

@Orangebug

Lala134 did you read in the OP that 600,000 children received the jab in the US last week? Is that a better number for you?

and what does that have to do with what I am saying? There were only 1k in a trial. Now these 600k are without proper consent in a medical trial thanks to there parents. please answer me why children should take this? the risk of clotting in the AZ vaccination is 1 in 50k they said that was 'safe' at first. Wonder what side effects will happen from the Pfizer jab, will it be ADE, auto immune issues? I guess we will have to see. Those poor kids. Do you know the fatality rate from covid in children? I serioudly doubt it if you would agree with injecting children with a barely tested, rushed and experimental vaccine. its child abuse plain and simple but I guess some propganda and you will do anything its very sad how many people are so easily conditioned and manipulated

I'm on a "not yet" stance with DS1 (currently y5 so slightly younger if it is 12+)
There's little personal medical gain.
We have little exposure to vulnerable people.
The benefits are political not medical.
He has ASD so an injection is a particularly unpleasant procedure in someone who finds things such as hair cuts particularly unpleasant. If that's then followed up with feeling ill from the side effects that stands a high chance of him developing a strong aversion to injections which at a personal level will be more detrimental in the long run.
If he's Gillick competent, I'd have no issue with him making an informed consent himself.

He is normally fully vaccinated and has the annual flu spray.

DS2 is a couple of years younger so at present has a few more years before this arises and I'm less concerned that he'd develop issues about injections.

@DumplingsAndStew

care to tell me what was drivel? and whats the matter you cannot handle anyone elses view? Do you need mumsnet to silence me and hold your hand to make you feel better? Lol.
Guess you dont even believe this is right either but are following along with this peer pressure virtue signalling rubbish to think its OK to vaccinate kids who do not have informed consent for a virus that does not kill them and does not stop the spread. The vaccine only protects the person taking it and it was only studied to see the reduction in symptoms not spread or anything else.
Long term risks from new vaccine technology are totally unkown to say otherwise is a lie. Please look at the studied on previous coronavirus and SARS vaccines using mNRA technology and see what happened in the animal trials and get back to me. iIfyou are willing to risk that on a child that is not at any risk of the disease you should 'give youre head a wobble' or whatever other cringy thing that is posted on here

I'd only consent if it meant my children didn't have to do the whole bubble stuff at school, no quarantine, no more testing, no distancing.

I'd be front of the queue.

That's not going to happen so I feel there is little incentive. They wouldn't really benefit.