To jab aor not to jab

[Flute56]

Some people are still refusing to have the jab I think they are foolish. I have a friend who will not have the jab and she wants to start socialising with me no that locdown is easing. Would you socialise with someone who ahs not had the jab

Yes

Yup.

Have you not had it?

It depends if you have regular contact with someone who is immuno compromised and can't be vaccinated.

If not meet her. Talk about the great holiday you're going to go on now you're vaccinated

Yes. This is getting ridiculous now.

No, unless she had a good reason for not getting the jab. Even then, if there was a lot of Covid about, and if I had had one of the less effective vaccines myself, I would be wary and might stick to zoom chats! It comes down to whether you are fully vaccinated with a good vaccine, how much Covid there is in the community, whether you are clinically vulnerable yourself, and how good a friend she is!

I would not even ask my friends about their vaccination status as it does not matter, and it is none of my fucking business.
If you have had the vaccine, then what are you worried about if your friends do not have it?

You could just meet her in an outdoor environment, and socially distance. There is no point meeting up though if you will not be able to relax. There is also the point that some friends could say they had had the vax when in fact they hadn't. At least this friend is being honest. If she is a good friend she would understand your concerns. Probably most people would be fine with mixing with unvaccinated people if they had had the vax themselves, but not everyone would feel that relaxed about it.

Here in the states, they are saying a vaccinated person can interact with unvaccinated/unmasked person without concern. The risk is all with the unvaccinated person.

It's like we've done a 180. In the beginning it was all about masking for others and now, it's every person for themselves.

I just heard this today. No telling what I will hear tomorrow.

If you've had it, what's the issue?
To be honest, people like you are the reason I'm inventing a medical condition or just flat out lie to friends and family.
Can't lie to authorities, sadly.

Surely if you had it then it doesn't matter if your friend has not been vaccinated as you are 'immune'? A lot of people out there are medically exempt from vaccine, some just refuse for personal or religious reasons (somewhat 36% refused so far)

To the PP who mentioned travel and holidays, you still need to do tests while traveling even if you had the vaccine so it gives ZERO advantage for you. If you haven't had the vaccine, you can do the test or get antibody test to proof you are naturally immune and continue your holidays as normal! No issues there.

Last point, don't forget that it is only the greedy UK that has been able to offer vaccines to people aged 30+ - they bought too many vaccines & a lot of older people refusing to its moving down the queue really fast! Other countries have only just started vaccinating 55year olds + so hopefully it never gets to the young and healthy people who has greater long term risks off vaccine than the virus itself. Corona viruses have existed for millions of years so not sure why you wouldn't see your friend, don't be daft!

Since you are vaccinated, what does it matter?

No. We should all shun anyone who doesn’t have the vaccine, selfish idiots that they are. They will kill is all. I would cut her out of my life and tell her why. You must never, ever willingly come into contact with the filthy, stupid refuseniks.

(Yes. I’m being facetious. This is becoming quite frightening now. And that ^^ is how the news is going to turn soon, as some of it has already).

You are going to come across people that are not vaccinated so I really would take appropriate precautions you would anyway.
Let's just hope they increase the vaccination rate over the next month Our gp is calling 30 to 32 years now
It can be no mere coincidence that the areas with lower uptake are being hit with larger infection rates of the Indian varient
The sooner we get the vaccine available across all ages the better

I would meet her outside when the weather improves ( assuming you have already had the jab).

@JustBeKind111 please stop posting the erroneous figure of 36% refusal - it's been pointed out on your thread that you've not read/understood the link you posted. Mind you also take some bollocks about fasting being a cure for allergies, asthma and cancer so 🤷🏼‍♀️

@XenoBitch

I would not even ask my friends about their vaccination status as it does not matter, and it is none of my fucking business. If you have had the vaccine, then what are you worried about if your friends do not have it?

This really, I don't ask about other people's vaccine statuses because it's not really any of my business. I'm fully vaccinated now and not really anxious at all, but I make my own risk assessments really. No large crowds or busy indoor places but I'd meet my friend for a quiet drink or a day out no problem.

DH and I are both pro-jab double jabbed healthcare workers, but we live with 27YO dd who is too young to be jabbed. The unjabbed are everywhere, to only mix with jabbed people you’d have to stay indoors.

I'm too young to have had my jab yet, but my parents and a lot of my friends have had it due to being older / health workers etc. Should I not allowed to see them?

Unless it's a moral issue for you rather than a health issue? I generally take a dim view of vaccine refusers, so it would colour my judgement of her. If that's your issue, then own it and don't make it about health, as there are millions of people out there that haven't been jabbed yet. If you don't want to mix with unvaccinated people, you'll have to stay inside your house forever.

My god. The worlds gone insane. You do you OP. I’m glad I’m not your friend, you don’t sound like a good one.

I’m 33 & luckily managed to get a jab this weekend but most of my friends haven’t yet as our age don’t yet qualify. I’ll be busy socialising with them over the next few weeks.. I have colleagues who don’t want the vaccine, fair play. I still go into the office with them. Will you refuse to every go into a building if people in there have no vaccine? I’m very very pro-vaccine, I wish everyone would get it but it’s not my choice. My personal view on it is irrelevant. Surely, the vaccine is mostly to protect you. If you’ve had it, you are protected. Your friend is the one taking the ‘risk’..

@penni00

No, unless she had a good reason for not getting the jab. Even then, if there was a lot of Covid about, and if I had had one of the less effective vaccines myself, I would be wary and might stick to zoom chats! It comes down to whether you are fully vaccinated with a good vaccine, how much Covid there is in the community, whether you are clinically vulnerable yourself, and how good a friend she is!

Less effective vaccine? Good vaccine??

Ffs so are people grading the vaccines themselves now and prepared to treat people based on that.

I guess the next thing is people will be demanding days for when supermarkets, shops etc ban the “lesser vaccinated people”

Cue the threads. “Would you get on a plane with someone who’s had a lesser vaccine type”

@NotBot

My god. The worlds gone insane. You do you OP. I’m glad I’m not your friend, you don’t sound like a good one.

I’m 33 & luckily managed to get a jab this weekend but most of my friends haven’t yet as our age don’t yet qualify. I’ll be busy socialising with them over the next few weeks.. I have colleagues who don’t want the vaccine, fair play. I still go into the office with them. Will you refuse to every go into a building if people in there have no vaccine? I’m very very pro-vaccine, I wish everyone would get it but it’s not my choice. My personal view on it is irrelevant. Surely, the vaccine is mostly to protect you. If you’ve had it, you are protected. Your friend is the one taking the ‘risk’..

Exactly this.

When I've had mine, I'll be thinking, I'm protected. I'm not going to interview friends in the same age group. Maybe I have older colleagues who don't want it.

The point is, I will have had it.

There's a lady in my office who never had her childhood jabs. I had mine, so that's that. She is having the covid jab when the time comes btw.

Nobody is protected 100% by a Covid vaccine, yes likely you are protected from serious disease, but you can still catch Covid when vaccinated, more likely so with AZ than with the mRNAs. Then you run the risk of getting long Covid, and even if you catch it with no symptoms or mild symptoms you still could say for example lose your sense of taste long term, or become a transmitter (30% approx chance).
Like the friend who has chosen not to have the vaccine, the OP also should have choices on the risks she wants to take.
In OPs situation, providing I was not clinically vulnerable, providing I did not live with someone who was clinically vulnerable, then I would meet with the friend outside. With the summer here, why not keep all safe by using pub gardens, or home gardens, or picnics in the park etc.
The gov are saying two vaccinated people can meet indoors safely, they are not actually saying this when one person is unvaccinated.
To be honest , you could flip this and say the unvaccinated friend is the one open to the danger of catching Covid, and the OP could be considered as being a good friend protecting HER by meeting outside!

Meaning extremely clinically vulnerable

I'd take the view that if my "friend" took the attitude that they couldn't give a sh*t about anyone else, then they're not someone I'd WANT to be socialising with.

@bookworm1632

I'd take the view that if my "friend" took the attitude that they couldn't give a sh*t about anyone else, then they're not someone I'd WANT to be socialising with.

Sounds like you were just looking for a reason to dump that friend and the vaccine came at the perfect time. Real friends don't dump others because of personal medical decisions.